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The Category Display > Header & Footer

Leslie

> But where are the fields accessed to replace html? Even though basic it is
> sufficient for my needs. I can't find them where the example refrences or
> anywhere for that matter. I looked at demo sites for examples?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nick
>

>
>
> I'd say that was the old-fashioned replace the cat tree with HTML instead
> of
> being able to maniplulate the dynamic cat tree.
>
> Leslie
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> Well I found documentation on the Miva 5 category tree.
>> <A HREF ="http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html">http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html</A>
>>
>> They claim you can modify the tree, but for the life of me when I
>> click on (any category) and click on 'category tree', I don't get the
>> category tree header or footer as shown in picture of docs? Just a
>> place to upload a picture?
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Nick
>

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But where are the fields accessed to replace html? Even though basic it =
is
sufficient for my needs. I can't find them where the example refrences =
or
anywhere for that matter. I looked at demo sites for examples?

Best regards,

Nick

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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leslie Nord =
-
Webs Your Way
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [t5c] Category Tree Miva Docs on subject


I'd say that was the old-fashioned replace the cat tree with HTML =
instead of
being able to maniplulate the dynamic cat tree.

Leslie

> Hello again,
>
> Well I found documentation on the Miva 5 category tree.=20
> <A HREF ="http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html">http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html</A>
>
> They claim you can modify the tree, but for the life of me when I=20
> click on (any category) and click on 'category tree', I don't get the=20
> category tree header or footer as shown in picture of docs? Just a=20
> place to upload a picture?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Nick
>
>

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I'd say that was the old-fashioned replace the cat tree with HTML instead
of being able to maniplulate the dynamic cat tree.

Leslie

> Hello again,
>
> Well I found documentation on the Miva 5 category tree.
> <A HREF ="http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html">http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html</A>
>
> They claim you can modify the tree, but for the life of me when I click on
> (any category) and click on 'category tree', I don't get the category tree
> header or footer as shown in picture of docs? Just a place to upload a
> picture?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Nick
>
>

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Again, I think you are missing something here. You cannot edit the
individual "components" or "items" of Miva Merchant 5. That is what
this entire conversation is about. OpenUI and OpenDesigner were the
only layout modules I needed. With Merchant 5, I see us going back
to the 5 different modules from 5 different developers to do what a
simple tweak in OpenUI or OpenDesigner would do.

As for the breadcrumbs, I made my own in OpenDesigner. I made them
look and operate just how I wanted them and I did not have to buy a
module to do so. In Merchant 5, you are going to have to buy a
module to change the appearance of the Breadcrumbs...am I right
here? As for the attributes and category tree.... you can move them
and set them anywhere you want in Merchant 5, but I cannot put the
individual attributes underneath attribute prompt without a module.
I cannot tweak the code of the category tree without a module.
Modules, modules, modules. That is where I see this all going.
Please tell me if I am wrong here....

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:

> I'm confused by some of this (but it's not that important).
>
> Personally, I'm pretty sure that M5 will be wide open for development,
> or the people in the beta group would be screaming by now. They're
> not. They're converting modules.
>
> You don't want 3rd party modules for layout and design, but you use
> OUI? Call it what you will, but that's a contradiction.
>
> Breadcrumbs and attribute templates were never a stock feature. If
> you have either, you have 3rd party modules. If they're stock in M5,
> that's a step forward on Miva's part (in my opinion).


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Hello again,

Well I found documentation on the Miva 5 category tree.
<A HREF ="http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html=20">http://www.miva.com/support/tips_tricks/tips/34.html=20</A>

They claim you can modify the tree, but for the life of me when I click =
on
(any category) and click on 'category tree', I don't get the category =
tree
header or footer as shown in picture of docs? Just a place to upload a
picture?

Any ideas?

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason =
Henderson
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:18 PM
To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [t5c] Category Tree


Just responding to
>heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
>> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on >Miva, can it =

>> be that hard?

Jason


> Ummm, yes but can you modify it?
>
> Leslie
>
> > Leslie,
> >
> > You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5=20
> > http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and =

> >> OUI to create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to =

> >> create the cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on=20
> >> Miva, can it be that hard?
> >>
> >> Leslie
> >>
> >> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently=20
> >> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is=20
> >> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more=20
> >> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5=20
> >> > for it to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store =

> >> > using OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
> >> >
> >> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not=20
> >> > make my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know=20
> >> > someone is going to use the argument that there are not many=20
> >> > modules available for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very =

> >> > many modules on my current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the=20
> >> > modules I use are admin related like order tracking or store=20
> >> > statistics. I got away from layout modules a long time ago.
> >> >
> >> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my=20
> >> > store.
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a =

> >> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's
impossible,
> >> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right'=20
> >> >> -- where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs.=20
> >> >> simplicity.
> >> >>
> >> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme=20
> >> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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Bill, Bill, Bill,

Don't get me started on the "beta group". I was dying to be a part of it
and was never asked - probably because I'm not a developer or a partner.
Second - yes it was shrouded in a secrecy called NDA. If you weren't "in"
you didn't know what was going on. I'm sure there would be all sorts of
reasons why I wasn't part of the beta group - but I figured if I could
beta test Ivo's stuff I could just about beta test anything. I figure
I'll be doing battle with DataPipe soon enough having to convince them
that my setup methods are better than theirs.

Leslie

I'm not sure exactly which version they were added but the stock MM does
have attribute templates but not breadcrumbs.
>
> Personally, I'm pretty sure that M5 will be wide open for development,
> or the people in the beta group would be screaming by now. They're
> not. They're converting modules.
>
>
> Breadcrumbs and attribute templates were never a stock feature. If
> you have either, you have 3rd party modules. If they're stock in M5,
> that's a step forward on Miva's part (in my opinion).
>
>> I also wish Miva was a little more open... Merchant 5 was so hush
>> hush... for what reason? If they were to say hey, this is what we
>> are working on for future releases, this is the direction we are
>> heading... that would be great! But I have to tell you, it is really
>> tough to determine what direction to head when there are no signs.
>
> They did announce the direction they were heading in. I believe, they
> first talked about 'templated' Merchant 3 years ago. My only
> disappointment is with how long it took for that to happen.
>
> M5 is hardly 'hush hush', they had a beta group. For Miva, that's a
> first. M1-M4 were simply released, and you found out what they did
> when you installed them. M5 is practically 'glasnost' at this point,
> I waited years for this to happen, and I wish I'd been a part of the
> beta.
>
>> I have three new sites on the back burner right now. Do I code these
>> sites in Merchant 4 using OpenUI/OpenDesigner and then have to recode
>> them in Merchant 5 in six months? ...or do I bite the bullet and
>> code them in Merchant 5 and end up having to buy a bunch of modules
>> to get store functionality in the future? ...or do you go with an
>> entirely different Ecommerce solution?
>
> Go with M4 using custom MMUI, or OUI as you choose. Few (if any) will
> want to convert a store they just built within 6 months, and modules
> will be supported for at least another year. If it works for you
> today, why change until you have something else that's solid? The
> point is, there's still quite a few older Merchant stores running...
> because they just work.
>
> Switching to another system may seem appealing, but that would only be
> true if you ignore both, the learning curve, and the fact that no
> solution is perfect. Any other solution will have problems, they'll
> just be different problems (or perhaps the same problems). And you'll
> have to learn the ways around them, just as you do with Merchant.
>
>> Miva has put us in a bad spot and they are not communicating with the
>> end users.... that sucks!
>
> Again, I think they're communicating with us more than they have in
> the past. They did peak about 3 or 4 yrs ago, but even then, it
> didn't come close to what they're doing now.
>
> In the end, I'm _very_ optimistic about Merchant 5.
>
> --
> Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)
>

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On 5/11/05, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill,

Ok, I'm not the Bill you replied to, but he gets half of my email
anyway, so... :)
=20
> I think you missed my point. I am not upgrading to Merchant 5. I do
> have a copy of Merchant 5 so that I may learn the new Miva tokens and
> layout templates, but I will not upgrade anytime in the near future,
> I can't.

Understandable, and probably a wise choice to wait (even if you could
upgrade now).
=20
> Here is my beef.... My gut tells me that Merchant does not want to
> open the entire UI to customization in order to sell modules. (my
> opinion for all you listeners) I do not want 3rd party modules for
> layout and design. (no offense module developers) I need access to
> the templates for not just the category tree, but the attributes, the
> buttons, the breadcrumbs etc. etc.

I'm confused by some of this (but it's not that important).

Personally, I'm pretty sure that M5 will be wide open for development,
or the people in the beta group would be screaming by now. They're
not. They're converting modules.

You don't want 3rd party modules for layout and design, but you use
OUI? Call it what you will, but that's a contradiction.

Breadcrumbs and attribute templates were never a stock feature. If
you have either, you have 3rd party modules. If they're stock in M5,
that's a step forward on Miva's part (in my opinion).
=20
> I also wish Miva was a little more open... Merchant 5 was so hush
> hush... for what reason? If they were to say hey, this is what we
> are working on for future releases, this is the direction we are
> heading... that would be great! But I have to tell you, it is really
> tough to determine what direction to head when there are no signs.

They did announce the direction they were heading in. I believe, they
first talked about 'templated' Merchant 3 years ago. My only
disappointment is with how long it took for that to happen.

M5 is hardly 'hush hush', they had a beta group. For Miva, that's a
first. M1-M4 were simply released, and you found out what they did
when you installed them. M5 is practically 'glasnost' at this point,
I waited years for this to happen, and I wish I'd been a part of the
beta.

> I have three new sites on the back burner right now. Do I code these
> sites in Merchant 4 using OpenUI/OpenDesigner and then have to recode
> them in Merchant 5 in six months? ...or do I bite the bullet and
> code them in Merchant 5 and end up having to buy a bunch of modules
> to get store functionality in the future? ...or do you go with an
> entirely different Ecommerce solution?

Go with M4 using custom MMUI, or OUI as you choose. Few (if any) will
want to convert a store they just built within 6 months, and modules
will be supported for at least another year. If it works for you
today, why change until you have something else that's solid? The
point is, there's still quite a few older Merchant stores running...
because they just work.

Switching to another system may seem appealing, but that would only be
true if you ignore both, the learning curve, and the fact that no
solution is perfect. Any other solution will have problems, they'll
just be different problems (or perhaps the same problems). And you'll
have to learn the ways around them, just as you do with Merchant.

> Miva has put us in a bad spot and they are not communicating with the
> end users.... that sucks!

Again, I think they're communicating with us more than they have in
the past. They did peak about 3 or 4 yrs ago, but even then, it
didn't come close to what they're doing now.

In the end, I'm _very_ optimistic about Merchant 5.

--=20
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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Just responding to
>heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
>> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on >Miva, can it be
>> that hard?

Jason


> Ummm, yes but can you modify it?
>
> Leslie
>
> > Leslie,
> >
> > You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
> > http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI
> >> to
> >> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
> >> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
> >> that hard?
> >>
> >> Leslie
> >>
> >> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> >> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> >> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> >> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> >> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> >> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
> >> >
> >> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> >> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> >> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> >> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> >> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> >> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> >> > layout modules a long time ago.
> >> >
> >> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> >> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's
impossible,
> >> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> >> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >> >>
> >> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> >> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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Ummm, yes but can you modify it?

Leslie

> Leslie,
>
> You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
> http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html
>
> Jason
>
>
>> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI
>> to
>> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
>> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
>> that hard?
>>
>> Leslie
>>
>> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
>> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
>> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
>> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
>> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
>> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
>> >
>> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
>> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
>> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
>> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
>> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
>> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
>> > layout modules a long time ago.
>> >
>> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
>> >
>> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
>> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
>> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
>> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>> >>
>> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
>> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

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Leslie,

You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html

Jason


> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI to
> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
> that hard?
>
> Leslie
>
> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
> >
> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> > layout modules a long time ago.
> >
> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
> >
> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >>
> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Bill,

I think you missed my point. I am not upgrading to Merchant 5. I do
have a copy of Merchant 5 so that I may learn the new Miva tokens and
layout templates, but I will not upgrade anytime in the near future,
I can't.

Here is my beef.... My gut tells me that Merchant does not want to
open the entire UI to customization in order to sell modules. (my
opinion for all you listeners) I do not want 3rd party modules for
layout and design. (no offense module developers) I need access to
the templates for not just the category tree, but the attributes, the
buttons, the breadcrumbs etc. etc.

I also wish Miva was a little more open... Merchant 5 was so hush
hush... for what reason? If they were to say hey, this is what we
are working on for future releases, this is the direction we are
heading... that would be great! But I have to tell you, it is really
tough to determine what direction to head when there are no signs.

I have three new sites on the back burner right now. Do I code these
sites in Merchant 4 using OpenUI/OpenDesigner and then have to recode
them in Merchant 5 in six months? ...or do I bite the bullet and
code them in Merchant 5 and end up having to buy a bunch of modules
to get store functionality in the future? ...or do you go with an
entirely different Ecommerce solution?

Miva has put us in a bad spot and they are not communicating with the
end users.... that sucks!

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Bill Gilligan wrote:

> Dan,
> Then you should stay with Merchant 4.
> When more stuff becomes available, review the pro's and con's again
> - say in 6 months.
>
> I hate to say this for fear of starting a new war on this list, but
> the fact is, Miva does not have
> to provide an upgarde path from OpenUI/ Open Designer. If they
> choose to - excellent. But they don't
> have to....
>
> In the mean time - hold off until there are more things available
> that can compare.
>
> Its like buying a new car. If you 'have' to have XM Radio (I love
> it!), but the car you want doesn't
> offer it yet - then either wait, or decide which is more important
> - the car or the radio.... And if
> available - buy a mod to give you the tunes you crave (once it
> becomes available).
>
> But the car manufacturer does not have to offer XM in the new car
> simply because somebody else did
> in the old one....
>
> Bill
>
> =============================
> Bill Gilligan
> Gilligan On-Line
> www.gilliganonline.com
> 850-233-8775


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I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI to
create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
that hard?

Leslie

> OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
>
> If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> layout modules a long time ago.
>
> Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
>
> Dan
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
>
>> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
>> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
>> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
>> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>>
>> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
>> (assuming that's possible with 5).
>
>

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For the sake of clarity...

On 5/11/05, Bill Guindon <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> I do agree that it's needed. I'd say at least half of the stores I've
> worked on have included _some_ customization of the cat tree.

The "it's" above refers to the ability to customize the category tree,
and not to OpenUI.

--=20
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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On 5/11/05, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> OpenUI/OpenDesigner.

No war. I've done a lot of OpenUI code in the past, but very little
recently. I've never been a fan, and I really haven't followed what
it has (or doesn't have) lately.

I do agree that it's needed. I'd say at least half of the stores I've
worked on have included _some_ customization of the cat tree.

> If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> layout modules a long time ago.

Well, it's probably true that there aren't a lot of modules available
yet. Simple supply and demand would predict that -- better to fix/add
4.x modules atm as that's where the buyers are. That won't be true
forever tho', so hang in there.

On the bright side, I'd rather they left it to the 3rd party market
rather than lock in their own solution. I expect to see a variety of
answers. With any luck, I may even provide one.

> Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.

You'll get it. Just not today. Upgrade when it's ready. And while
you wait, Merchant 5 will have been tested more, and will likely be a
more stable product. You can also use that time to make yourself more
familiar with it.

There's no "need" to upgrade, it's just a "desire" :)

> Dan
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> On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
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> > While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> > templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> > just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> > where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >
> > That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> > (assuming that's possible with 5).
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OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
OpenUI/OpenDesigner.

If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
layout modules a long time ago.

Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:

> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>
> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> (assuming that's possible with 5).


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