How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

[KayfabeRockStar]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Hi Eric,

Ok - Here's the link:

http://www.kicks-ind.com/mm5/merchan...de=SmkRuger12g

We've also noticed that in this particular scenario, when you add 3 to the cart, the price drops to $60 each as expected in the cart (BASK). If you then remove 1 (now leaving a quantity of 2), then return to the PROD of that same item (via the link in the basket), the pricing table is now wrong as per the example in my previous post, AND, the actual product price is showing $60 each rather than reverting to the $65 each per our original setting of the volume pricing.

I just want to point out too that the volume pricing structure is setup where 5 or more should be $55 each .. so if they order 100 they are still $55 each. The pricing table is updating per the previous post to $45 for 5 or more when you add at least 4 ... and we've not set that at all ... ? It should never go that low -- the price actually never functions that low, but the table says otherwise ...

If it's easier to speak on the phone about this let me know how to get in touch.

Thanks!

[Eric Foresman]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Hi Jason
It looks like you have the “Display Predicted Discounts” turned on for the prod page. That function is what is also adjusting the prices within the volume pricing table. By unchecking “Display Predicted Discounts” under the Product display layout tab it should work the way you want.

Hope this helps

-Eric

[KayfabeRockStar]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Eric,

Thanks, but that causes another problem ... when you are running a sale using price groups and give 10% off storewide ... the prices on all the items on sale show the strike through and sale price (PROD page) etc. ... so by unchecking the box you mentioned, turns the sale prices off on the PROD page -- fixes the volume pricing table (on products using volume pricing) ... but you no longer see the sale prices for the 10% off (for example) on general sale items ...

The sale prices are still calculating correctly in the basket.

Thoughts?

- Jason

[KayfabeRockStar]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Bump.

[Eric Foresman]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Hi Jason
There are a couple of ways to do what you want. One is to use an alternate display page for the volume priced products.

Another way would be to assign the product Id to a variable and then have the volume pricing item call the variable. That way it will be pulling the default price from the database and not the base price which the predictive discounts module has modified.

Replace:
<mvt:item name="volprice" param="product:id" />

With:
<mvt:assign name="l.settings:vol_prod_id" value="l.settings:product:id" />
<mvt:item name="volprice" param="vol_prod_id" />

Let me know if that works for you

-Eric

[KayfabeRockStar]

Re: How do I tell my customers there's a volume price available, dynamically?

Ok - first, thanks! That snippet allows the volume pricing table to remain static based on what is in the cart. That's good.

The next bit of confusion is this ... on the sample item link in my previous post way above, you can see it work where if you add 6 to your cart, you get the items for $65/ea. as expected (see the vol price table). Now, the actual product price now changes to $60.00 -- which, technically, it should because the NEXT one you add to the cart will be $60 -- it's accurately displaying the price of the product based on what is in your cart (predictive).

The confusion is this -- even though we've added a notification that tells you how many are in your cart (helpful, and only shows on vol. priced products), a user might think that the ones in their cart are $60 each (despite what the vol price table says), rather than the $65 they are actually paying. Yes, the NEXT ONE you add will be $60 ... and I get that it's functioning correctly, but depending on how you look at it, customers could see it differently (and DO).

Turning off the predictive option (via the checkbox) is simply not an option as mentioned in my above post about other sales, etc. being affected -- so my question (after this long winded explanation ... haha) is:

Is there a way, without it affecting the price globally, to keep the price of an item using volume pricing at the TOP level price (static), in this case $65 - so that it won't be predictive - -again ONLY ON VOL. PRICING ITEMS.

I'm thinking there would be a way to use a custom field as a flag, put a price in the custom field and display that rather than the price, but you'd need to update that on every product you used vol. pricing, and do an IF/THEN ... if this product show alt price ... I could probably add the price along with the qty showing that they are getting those for $65 and then when customers see the $60 and the vol price table, it all might click ... but ...

My .02 is that having one option to turn on/off predictive pricing globally is a bit generic in the sense that it would work for most people but not for everyone. I don't expect you revolve the core functions of the software for my specific situation by any means, just brainstorming here on the best way to approach a solution. Maybe others have had this issue (or will have). A product specific option to turn predictive on/off would be great, and I suppose I could do that with a custom field if necessary or add the price.

[lesliekirk]

Wow, this looks like a lot of hoops to jump through just to be able to use Volume Pricing and also put something on sale.

[ids]

This subject appears to have come up in a couple different threads recently. I could give details of my experience or go straight to the suggestion of what you're going to end up doing anyway. Suggestion: Drop the Volume Pricing module and switch to the built in marketing functions regarding pricing. Trying to find workarounds for all the pricing scenarios you might have could/would take more time than to overhaul in favor of the built in functions.

If you're the store owner, bite the bullet and get this integrated sooner than later. There will be a slight learning curve. It might take some time to redo volume pricing and discounts in your spreadsheets, but you'll be saving your customers from being confused and won't need to find workarounds to displaying the correct pricing for the products. Further, you'll have more confidence that the methods will be forward compatible with Miva updates. EPVP will never be updated.

If you're integrating for your client, this I can tell you from my experience, it will save your client some money by overhauling with a plan rather than to try and find workarounds for the store.

Make sure you're on the latest (or recent) Miva CSSUI and engine. While you're at it...do that with the coupon module too.

Scott

[lesliekirk]

This subject appears to have come up in a couple different threads recently. I could give details of my experience or go straight to the suggestion of what you're going to end up doing anyway. Suggestion: Drop the Volume Pricing module and switch to the built in marketing functions regarding pricing. Trying to find workarounds for all the pricing scenarios you might have could/would take more time than to overhaul in favor of the built in functions.

Scott

So I'm coming back to this post since I did go through the trouble to convert a site over to the Marketing Price Group Volume Pricing because now I'm having a problem with the built-in function not displaying to correct Volume Pricing for a Legacy Price Group. The Legacy Price Group gets 25% off. That price display correctly as a product price but the Volume Price table does not update itself to reflect those discounts. The Volume Price table continues to display non-discounted pricing. How do I get the price table to correctly display the combination of the two Price Groups?

[Brennan]

I don't believe the legacy price group works in combination with any of the other price groups since it still uses the "old" price group system. Can you update the price group to be a product discount at 25% off instead. That would allow the two discounts to chain together.

[ids]

I never saw this question Leslie. Adding to Brennan's info, you might need to adjust the Volume Pricing pg. to allow combinations or same item in basket options so you get the expected prices. Another aspect of the trying to have the combinations is set the priorities. I think it's possible you'll find scenarios that won't work together.

Scott

[fastees]

So I see the question asked many times throughout the forum but I still do not see a solid answer to a big issue. I am using specific sale price in marketing to show strike through pricing on the product page along with volume pricing and it just does not seem to work together. The best way to describe this is with images. The bottom line is that the volume price table displays pricing way to low although it does add to cart at the right price. It is a display problem only but real confusing to the customer. When I uncheck the show predicted discounts the strike through pricing goes away. When I change the code as explained in other posts it shows pricing in the volume price table based on the price before sale pricing.

[joshpappas]

I agree with fastees that there doesn't seem to be a complete solution to this issue. There's no way to consistently, correctly display volume pricing if you also offer other discounts on the same item.

[fastees]

I'm doing an old school work around using a custom field to display the strike through pricing and it works ok on fastees.com