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    Store owner is working with an SEO company that is trying to make his links more friendly. Since the links are based on the Category and Product Codes , there is a 50 character limit, which I am being told is going to be a big problem for what they are trying to do. I noticed that if I created a URI Management canonical and redirected the old category code URI to it, there didn't seem to be an issue. This method is going to be kludgy at best if this will be how all the 50+ character codes will have to be worked around. Has any thought been given to increasing the field size?
    Leslie Kirk
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  • Quick thought: Have you considered switching to sluggified for the newer SEO links taking advantage of the NAME product/ctgy field? Might be a pain to maintain two sets of styles for the links and 301 redirects.

    I think much of this will depend on how or who is creating the URI. If there is only the 50, It could be done with a spreadsheet type file and import the new-fangled links as 301s as needed.

    Scott
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    • Originally posted by ids View Post
      Quick thought: Have you considered switching to sluggified for the newer SEO links taking advantage of the NAME product/ctgy field? Might be a pain to maintain two sets of styles for the links and 301 redirects.

      I think much of this will depend on how or who is creating the URI. If there is only the 50, It could be done with a spreadsheet type file and import the new-fangled links as 301s as needed.

      Scott
      I have but the SEO team that the store owner is using is crafting very specific URIs. Yeah, if it was only 50. They have already informed me
      A character code limit is a much bigger issue as I'm sure we'll hit that limit
      Leslie Kirk
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      Previously of Webs Your Way
      (aka Leslie Nord leslienord)

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      • The product and category name fields are 100 characters. So the URI template that would generate the URIs (sluggified on the name field) would solve the 50 character limit. My question now is, will these new-fangled URIs work with the templates? If they can't or won't, using the URI import of all the custom URIs as a 301 redirect might be the most efficient method.

        If the current URIs based on the code needs to remain canonical, then it seems the store will have multiple sets of URIs anyway because alternate URIs will be a redirect. IOW, if in URI management in Admin, the URI field is 254 characters. You can create some extensive links.

        Another alternative I guess, less and less recommended, of course, use redirects in .htaccess.

        Scott
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        • I think it has to do with each SEO company having ideas of their own on how to handle "stuff". I will double-check with them but I suspect that they are going to create a Category Name that will be different than the URI they are wanting. At least it gives me something to bring back to them. With the size of the site, I'm pretty sure I can hear David screaming NOOOOOOOO to the .htaccess
          Leslie Kirk
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          • Ya, I'd stay away from htaccess myself for "stuff" like this.

            OH, I'm sure it isn't necessary for you, but Make a Backup of the current URIs.
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            • "Category Name that will be different than the URI they are wanting. "

              Then they should fire the SEO firm. Pretty sure a cardinal rule of SEO nowadays is that the URL, Title, and H1 of a page should be as similar as possible...which of course would be the category name.
              Bruce Golub
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              • Originally posted by Bruce - PhosphorMedia View Post
                "Category Name that will be different than the URI they are wanting. "

                Then they should fire the SEO firm. Pretty sure a cardinal rule of SEO nowadays is that the URL, Title, and H1 of a page should be as similar as possible...which of course would be the category name.
                I said I suspected that they may want something different, I didn't say that the DID want something different.
                Leslie Kirk
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                Previously of Webs Your Way
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                • Coming back with another question - can a custom field be used for the slugify? I may have to rethink the Category Name field. Some of the category names are currently too long to fit nicely in the cat tree, so the Category Name field currently has an abbreviated name. Then a Custom Field (Alternate Category Name) is used for the longer name. Could that field be used instead?
                  Leslie Kirk
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                  Previously of Webs Your Way
                  (aka Leslie Nord leslienord)

                  Email me: [email protected]
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                  • Don't think so. You could turn it around though and use the custom field as the Cat Tree listing I would presume. I recall some of the readytheme navigation elements make it tough to determine the category/product code for a specific link, but its in there somewhere.
                    Bruce Golub
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                    • I'd put the ball in the SEO firm's court and have them generate URIs & redirects in a spreadsheet and just import them. Miva's URI import CSV is super simple. That said the URIs really should be based on the product/category title instead of the SKU/Product code as they're much more SEO friendly -- as Bruce said above. Not sure why or how your client would want to change their Miva product codes anyway, especially for SEO purposes. Haha that sounds nuts.

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                      • Originally posted by Bruce - PhosphorMedia View Post
                        Don't think so. You could turn it around though and use the custom field as the Cat Tree listing I would presume. I recall some of the readytheme navigation elements make it tough to determine the category/product code for a specific link, but its in there somewhere.
                        Actually, I have done this for the product links on a different site using the Product Custom Fields:

                        Code:
                        <mvt:do name="l.module_loaded" file="g.Module_Library_DB" value="Module_Load_Code('customfields', l.module )" /><mvt:do name="l.result" file="g.Module_Root $ l.module:module" value="Read_Product_Code(l.module, l.param, l.settings:product:code,'url_product_name', l.settings:custom:urlName)" />/p/<mvt:if expr="NOT ISNULL(l.settings:custom:urlName)"><mvt:eval expr="tolower(l.settings:custom:urlName)" /><mvt:else><mvt:eval expr="tolower(l.settings:product:slugified_page_title)" /></mvt:if>/&mvt:product:code;.html
                        So, in theory, I should be able to attempt this with the Category Custom Fields. I just need to give it a try - not enough hours in my day right now.
                        Leslie Kirk
                        Miva Certified Developer
                        Miva Merchant Specialist since 1997
                        Previously of Webs Your Way
                        (aka Leslie Nord leslienord)

                        Email me: [email protected]
                        www.lesliekirk.com

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                        • Exactly. I happened to look at the URI settings after I posted and forgotten that they DO have a SMT expression, so...its possible you could write

                          Code:
                          <mvt:item name="customfields" param="Read_Category_Code( g.category_code, 'myURL', l.settings:pm:catCustomUrl)" />/<mvt:if expr="NOT ISNULL l.settings:pm:catCustomUrl"><mvt:eval expr="l.settings:pm:catCustomUrl" /><mvt:else><mvt:eval expr="tolower( l.settings:category:slugified_name )" /></mvt:if>.html
                          Bruce Golub
                          Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

                          Improve Your Customer Service | Get MORE Customers | Edit CSS/Javascript/HTML Easily | Make Your Site Faster | Get Indexed by Google | Free Modules | Follow Us on Facebook
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