adendum.Google, stat pages, and listing placement?

> Sorry- I seem to be perpetually behind because I get the digest.
>
> I asked before but got no answer- which folder should the robot.txt file
go
> into?

Yes, I answered that.
israeliproducts.com/robots.txt

Jason

> We used to have the indents Chuck was talking about. My store is small so
> it's really obvious- we have disppeared from Google. Only the dynamic
links
> are left. Anything that used to link to the store map with the indent- is
> gone. (And there was no active mirror or other domain redirecting (that I
> know of) - so it MUST have to do with SFL and storemap.)
>
> What I am hearing, I think, is disallowing the dynamic links is the only
> real solution- because the map got us much higher rankings -- I guess the
MV
> links are too far removed from index.
>
> But I don't want everyone entering the store thru the store map, unless
one
> far more configurable than CBS exists, and I don't want to get rid of
static
> doorways (I can't design with tokens).
>
> If anyone wants to quote me offline to fix this in a way that will still
> allow both, please do. Can't afford much but am over my head this time.
>
> Am seriously considering quitting Miva altogether. Other merchant
solutions
> don't seem to have all these problems. All the completely irrelevant sites
> that have taken our place in the rankings are certainly not paying oodles
of
> cash to SEO specialists every time Google changes it's algorythms.
>
> Has anyone else noticed that their PAID Google rankings have changed? I
> can't imagine how it would be related or why they would do that- but we
used
> to be 1 or 2 in those and now those are disappearing or ranking lower too-
> with NO change on my part. Unbelievable. Could this be a plan to push us
> into Froogle?
>
> Linda Katz
> www.israeliproducts.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

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> What I need to do is:
> 1. Get the pages that have nothing to do with products out of the
> search engines... (google has spidered my shopper login page in merchant
> as and example)... that page does not need to be listed anyplace, since
> it has no bearing on what I am selling. I use robots.txt for that
> stuff?

Don't be concerned with that. No big deal.

> 2. Get rid of duplicate product pages so Google does not think they are
> mirror pages. Options are:
> (a.) I optimize the Merchant product pages URL's , and create a
> site map of products and not have static pages.
> (b.) Or keep using Static Catalog and generate product pages through
> that, and use robots.txt to keep Google from spidering the pages in
> merchant.
> (c.) Or the do it all option... Optimize the merchant product
> pages, have duplicate static pages, site map of miva products and use
> robot.txt to keep Google out of the merchant pages and only let it have
> the static pages?

why would you optimize the merchant product pages and than keep Google out?
You would get rid of the static and let Google in to merchant.

>
> 3. A site map seems very important ( I have a lame one on site now,
> that I did freebie on the net, but it only did static pages) .. so could
> I use Swap Link from Bill Weiland, for the site map... but since I
> already have Static Catalog Generator, do they duplicate stuff, or
> cancel each other or what?

Static catalog generator by who? Weiland? They are not the same thing.
Yes, you could use swap link.

> So which is it by popular opinion (a.), (b.) or (c.) I am leaning
> towards (c.), but is that overkill? and is there one module out there
> that will do all that?

All depends on your situation, preference, etc. No module to do all that.

Jason


> Thank you
>
> Linda T
> http://corsetsandcostumes.com
>
>
>
>

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Jason Henderson wrote:

>>What I need to do is:
>>1. Get the pages that have nothing to do with products out of the
>>search engines... (google has spidered my shopper login page in merc
>>
>Don't be concerned with that. No big deal.
>
>
Ok I won't worry about that right now. :)

>why would you optimize the merchant product pages and than keep Google out?
>You would get rid of the static and let Google in to merchant.
>
>
I thought the gist of the thread to begin with, is that Google doesn't
want duplicates, but it was not a problem with any of the other search
engines right now. I have static listings in the 33rd place right now
with Google... so, I thought to keep them and then not let Google see
the merchant products would be good. Yahoo and some other engines have
both my static and merchant pages, within a reasonable page count.. so I
did not want to mess with them, so should have both things? and control
Google?

>Yes, you could use swap link.
>
>
>
Goodie..:)

>>that will do all that?
>>
>>
>
>All depends on your situation, preference, etc. No module to do all that.
>
>Jason
>
>
Insert sad face here... :(

thanks for the information...

--
Linda T
www.corsetsandcostumes.com


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Barrett wrote:

> Main thing to get out of all the excitement is:
>
> Stick with directing the SE's to static or dynamic pages not both.
> Use robots.txt to control this.

Ok...

> Your site map at one jump off your index or SFNT page should use the
> same link style method as the rest of your site.
> .htaccess rewrites are how to control the link style.
> We just happen to use SFL directory style that evolved out of the
> issue where the SE's including google could not or would not spider
> dynamic urls in the past. Also they are more human friendly for send
> links in email for example.

Dumb question number gazillion....what do you mean by "link style
method"?:)

And thank you for the reply.

--
Linda T
www.corsetsandcostumes.com

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Thanks Barret but that's not it at all. It's been working fine for 2 years
and hasn't run out of money. It's showing as active (not dropped) but with
no activity- where as up to now it always hit my limit. It just DISAPPEARED
for ALL keywords. The diagnostic tool shows nothing disallowed and nothing
wrong.

It's probably a coincidence- but having it dropped at the same time as my
storemap links suddenly disppeared made me think something screwy might have
happened to other users too... I hope it is just a server glitch. I wrote to
Google- they didn't respond yet. It's awfully scary though...

> Speaking on your Paid Adwords -
> Your ads performance are naturally related to how much you bid for
> position, BUT also if your ad is not as popular on click thru as one
> that may not be bidding as much as yourself, they will show up higher
> on the page. I would take a real hard look at what you are targeting
> and what key words or phrases you are using to trigger the ad. Afaik
> know - not a fact - only heard through the grapevine, if you are too
> haphazard about keywords for your ad and you do get high click thru's
> but the shopper doesn't find what they want and then click back right
> away; somehow google figures this out and sees the result as not
> relevant in that it was quickly determined to be a waste of time...hope
> that makes some sense.
> One real basic example that some overlook with the adwords - say you
> were Acme Widgets and have an ad for Super Gold Plated Widgets and on
> click the ad runs them to your storefront, big mistake - you should
> instead land them on the Gold Plated Widgets page.
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
> __
> What type of links did your store map have ?
> Should have had SFL directory style along with your whole store.

I set them to directory style (not the one with "session appended")
yesterday when Jason told everyone to. But they look the same as before- and
so does the storemap once regenerated. I do not know what else can be done-
there's only 3 configurable choices. ???

I plan to match my html pages (non Merchant static doorway and info pages)
with the same style links- but with so many posts showing so many formats, I
still am not sure how they should look. Can you send a good example?

And I'm still not sure if all the other dozens of mods we have need to be
checked - to see if the links they create will match-- or if SFL takes care
of the entire store??
>
> The main moral with dynamic SFL or static html links and pages is to
> use one or the other and stick with it.
> If you have a site that is getting hammered by the spiders and traffic
> to where it is a problem; using the static pages is the key for server
> performance and in that case you block the spider from /Merchant2/
> directory via the robots.txt file to prevent the illusion to the spider
> of duplicate content and plowing thru and calling dynamic pages.

I understood that- and thanks for taking the time to be so clear- but I see
little choice. I need the doorway pages because I have to constantly change
my site and I need the html pages for flexibility I can't get in Miva-
probably even if I had serious proficiency with tokens, which I totally
don't.

Using just dynamic links is not a viable choice. I can see from what has
happened now- where all I have are the dynamic links- that they are too far
removed from index to get decent rankings. I was on page 1 or 2 with
storemap pages- now I am buried.
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
> ____
>
> Being that the root of this new dilemma is related to duplicate content
> and server performance or load - my gut tells me that the static html
> solution has merit, but then that flys in the face of the whole reason
> sites are built with database driven backends and create pages on call
> in the first place. Now because a spider is going to load a server or
> because someone can get so much traffic that the dynamic generated site
> and server can't handle it we have to revert back to static page
> management....??? This being such great solution; then why hasn't all
> the great engineers at Miva built the new templated mouse trap to
> conveniently and accurately produce and manage a site run in html ???
> That would seem to me logical if the move to static pages for high load
> site is totally sound. What then are the big players like umm Compusa,
> HomeDepot, BestBuy, Lowes, Costco, Ciruitcity and so on running ??? I'm
> sure it ain't static sites - oh yes don't even start with me about
> zillion dollar budgets - just want to understand the mechanics....
> I did hear that ebay runs separate and mirrored servers for each
> individual category browsed so as soon as you hit a category you go to
> that server and even if it choked you'd never know because it's twin
> picks up the ball... Wowser (my neighbor works for a big time company
> involved with that stuff and he said Miva ????..sorry come again...)

That's why I said I'm thinking of giving up on Miva- though once invested it
is awfully hard to throw all that effort away. I'm too small to ever worry
about server overload from the spiders (and I also have Hostasaurus)- but
Miva dynamic links are basically worthless. None of the other merchant carts
seem to have these issues. Tiny foreign stores with no content are now
filling up Googles top rankings for my keywords and I don't exist. Thank
goodness for repeat customers... and though I never thought I'd say it- for
Overture.

Linda Katz
www.israeliproducts.com
>
> Thanks,
> -Barrett
> http://handmade-paper.us
> Hosted by Hostasaurus.com (MM v4.20 OUI)
> ShipWorks by Interapptive.com

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Oh and don't forget they are sure to check the pilots out and make them
take their blazers off and are sure to not let them put that coat over
top of that laptop and when they are being extra careful are sure to
not let that cell phone in there with the friggin laptop.........I
better quit this
Bedtime.

Barrett
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Chuck Lasker - DoublePlus wrote:

> And people don't differentiate between taxes and regular ticket price.
> So,
> effectively the government is pulling 25% of the perceived ticket
> price for
> "security." It's straight out of airline funds. It's no wonder the
> airlines
> are going bankrupt one by one. But boy don't we all feel so much safer
> on
> the plane knowing they scanned our shoes, kept our fingernail clippers
> and
> they kept old 60s singers from landing in the US? Worth every penny.
>
> Chuck
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrett
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:28 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Jason Henderson; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Plane Fares to Dallas for MIVA
>> Conference (was: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?)
>>
>> You should see some really good prices from United since they are
>> operating in Bankruptcy, have had a judge wipe out their
>> pension plans
>> to relieve something like 9 billion in overhead so the government can
>> pay a mere fraction of the pensions to the employees for all their
>> years at the company with your tax dollars...
>> This airline and many other along with their employees are paying the
>> price for ticket prices that I've been told by those that have
>> researched it that in most cases are like the tickets sold
>> for in 1980 !
>> Careful Southwest is not always the cheapest, but they want you to
>> think that.
>> Southwest and American are probably most likely to have the direct
>> flights.
>> Gosh I was just thinking it cost $500 round trip to Acapulco
>> in 1983 on
>> American; wonder what it is now ?!
>> Phoenix to Dallas is only about 1,070 miles by car
>> hmm apx $225 in fuel round trip in just fuel if the car was free and
>> you didn't eat...
>> or consider probably 17 to 20 hour drive....
>> From what I've heard those multi million dollar airliners
>> burn between
>> 6 and 8 thousand pounds of fuel per hour your are likely to
>> get on that
>> route unless maybe one of the toy jets makes that run......<grin>
>>
>> Barrett
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 05:19 PM, Julie Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> OKAY, prices are headed in the right direction!
>>>
>>> Is it possible that it'll get under $300.00? Should I wait a tad
>>> longer? I noticed that United had a special to Dallas for
>> $214.00 if
>>> one flew between 5/12-5/24 (found it on travelocity.com). Is it
>>> possible to wait and find a special like that when it gets
>> closer to
>>> June 16th?
>>>
>>> I hardly ever fly and really am not the best shopper when
>> it comes to
>>> airfares.... any help is appreciated :-)
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> Jason Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> NP. BTW, I checked cheaptickets, and it was only $319
>>>> J
>>>
>>
>>

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Ok, from what everyone has advised, I think what I am going to do, is
keep the static page that I have that offers a simple page of pictures
of my entire inventory of costumes without descriptions other than
pricing (I like this cause it loads very quick).., and links to each of
the Merchant product pages. That way no duplicates.

And I need to change the Urls for the product pages and optimize them
for the search engines. And if I change the Urls, then I will need to
do .htaccess redirects for the engines that have spidered them..Yes.?

I know there is a module called Search Friendly Links, and isn't there
one called Search Engine Optimizer?...Or Merchant Optimizer? What
module do I need?

Thank you, thank you, thank you....

Linda T

http://corsetsandcostumes.com