OT: Google link?

OT: Google link?



That's an OUI error message. It means that your code "appears" to be using
opentokens but you didn't make %OUI% the first five characters in the box
for that code. Assuming you're not actually using opentokens in that code
you can just disregard the message. If you are using opentokens then you
need to insert the %OUI% bit but, if that were the case, something wouldn't
be working because those opentokens wouldn't be getting parsed. Therefore,
you most likely just have something in there that looks like opentokens but
isn't so don't worry.

Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Patio & Grill
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:17 PM
To: miva list
Subject: [mru] problem with java in head tag

Hello,

I'm trying to insert a simple javascript for my menu into the head tag. I
inserted it, and the menu works and everything, but it gives me a "non-fatal
warning [20005] (line 1/char 1) This string contains opentokens but does not
start with %OUI%".

The only thing that I can tell that is actually wrong with the site is a ">"
inserted at the very top of the page above the global header. like I said,
the menu works, it just has that carrot symbol at the top of the page and it
gives me that error.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

KC

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OT: Google link?



Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
categories. If you have zero, than no problem.

Jason


> We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search Friendly
> Store Map all by CBS.
>
> After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...
>
> According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule will
> take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL style
> on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the static
> link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your web
> server"
>
> If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should be OK
> as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and SF
Store
> Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????
>
> Thanks!
> Lori
>
> ------------------
>
>
> On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages with
the
> > exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
> > rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so,
I
> >> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to
the
> >> same page? Will this cause issues?
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
> >> Aquariumpros.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
> >> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains
> > with
> >> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> Maternity Corner
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have
any
> >> pages of their own....
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Anne Cavicchi
> >> Annie's
> >> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> 250-354-2000
> >> www.maternitycorner.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
> >> Aquariumpros.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> >> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the
three
> >> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> > linking!
> >>
> >> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the
same
> >> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same
> > store),
> >> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
> >>
> >> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into
DNS
> >> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have
the
> >> same content.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> Maternity Corner
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
> >> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Anne Cavicchi
> >> Annie's
> >> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> 250-354-2000
> >> www.maternitycorner.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
> >> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >>
> >> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
> > Killer
> >> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> >> informational side of our site.
> >>
> >> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
> > finally
> >> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
> > HTML
> >> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
> > close,
> >> forget about it!
> >>
> >> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a
mirror
> > on
> >> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us),
you
> >> also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >>
> >> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is
that
> > we
> >> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to
get
> >> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their
spider
> >> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links
it
> >> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It
will
> > be
> >> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
> > forms
> >> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> >> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> > solution
> >> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> >> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
> >> Store Map.
> >>
> >> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of
the
> >> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> >> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly.
Get
> >> rid of anything else fast!
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill
Gilligan
> >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
> >>
> >> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> >> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> >> drop thousands of pages?
> >>
> >> Anyone have that link?
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>

OT: Google link?



You need to stick with one linking style and get rid of the rest and block
google, etc. from hitting other types of links from the one you are using.
It was never the way to do it. Just a part of the process.

Jason


> Can someone "nutshell" this for me? I'm out of town, find these posts,
> have a project I desperately trying to finish that uses, static pages,
> Merchant Optimizer and the CBS SFL Suite. Bottom line, am I screwed? The
> site has tons on links to products within the site. I thought this used to
> be the way to do this? Have the rules just changed again?
>
> FWIW - I have suggested more than once that the client use Jason's
services.
>
> Leslie
>
>
> >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
> >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem. Might as well do it
> > just to be sure.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> ---------------------------
> >>
> >> Great!
> >>
> >> So we don't need to use a robot.txt file either? I've seen this in some
> >> other posts on this thread so I just want to be sure. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Lori
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >>
> >> On 5/16/05 7:41 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
> >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem.
> >> >
> >> > Jason
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search
> > Friendly
> >> >> Store Map all by CBS.
> >> >>
> >> >> After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule
> > will
> >> >> take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL
> > style
> >> >> on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the
> >> static
> >> >> link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your
> >> web
> >> >> server"
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should
> >> be
> > OK
> >> >> as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and
SF
> >> > Store
> >> >> Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> Lori
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages
> > with
> >> > the
> >> >>> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not
> >> affect
> >> >>> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on
that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jason
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If
> > so,
> >> > I
> >> >>>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal
links
> > to
> >> > the
> >> >>>> same page? Will this cause issues?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Paul
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Webmaster -
> >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
> >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten
> > domains
> >> >>> with
> >> >>>> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> >>>> Maternity Corner
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually
> >> have
> >> > any
> >> >>>> pages of their own....
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
> >> >>>> Annie's
> >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> >>>> 250-354-2000
> >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Webmaster -
> >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the
> >> > three
> >> >>>> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> >> >>> linking!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have
> >> the
> >> > same
> >> >>>> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the
> >> same
> >> >>> store),
> >> >>>> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied
> > into
> >> > DNS
> >> >>>> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to
> > have
> >> > the
> >> >>>> same content.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> >>>> Maternity Corner
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing
to
> >> >>>> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
> >> >>>> Annie's
> >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> >>>> 250-354-2000
> >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
> >> >>>> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search
> >> Engine
> >> >>> Killer
> >> >>>> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from
> > the
> >> >>>> informational side of our site.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google,
> >> we
> >> >>> finally
> >> >>>> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of
mirror
> > or
> >> >>> HTML
> >> >>>> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or
> >> even
> >> >>> close,
> >> >>>> forget about it!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a
> >> > mirror
> >> >>> on
> >> >>>> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like
> > us),
> >> > you
> >> >>>> also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line
> >> is
> >> > that
> >> >>> we
> >> >>>> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution
was
> > to
> >> > get
> >> >>>> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said
their
> >> > spider
> >> >>>> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any
> > links
> >> > it
> >> >>>> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop.
It
> >> > will
> >> >>> be
> >> >>>> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove
> >> all
> >> >>> forms
> >> >>>> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html
> >> pages
> >> >>>> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> >> >>> solution
> >> >>>> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and
> > category
> >> >>>> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages
and
> > CBS
> >> >>>> Store Map.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a
thing
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >>>> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we
have
> > or
> >> >>>> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to
> > fly.
> >> > Get
> >> >>>> rid of anything else fast!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill
> >> > Gilligan
> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at
> > Google.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing
> >> has
> >> >>>> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> >> >>>> drop thousands of pages?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Anyone have that link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bill
> >> >>>>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search Friendly
Store Map all by CBS.

After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...

According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule will
take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL style
on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the static
link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your web
server"

If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should be OK
as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and SF Store
Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????

Thanks!
Lori

------------------


On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages with the
> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
>
> Jason
>
>
>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so, I
>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to the
>> same page? Will this cause issues?
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
>> Aquariumpros.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains
> with
>> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
>> Maternity Corner
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
>> pages of their own....
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Anne Cavicchi
>> Annie's
>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
>> 250-354-2000
>> www.maternitycorner.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
>> Aquariumpros.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
>> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> linking!
>>
>> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
>> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same
> store),
>> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
>>
>> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
>> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
>> same content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
>> Maternity Corner
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
>> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Anne Cavicchi
>> Annie's
>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
>> 250-354-2000
>> www.maternitycorner.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
>> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
>>
>> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
> Killer
>> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
>> informational side of our site.
>>
>> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
> finally
>> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
> HTML
>> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
> close,
>> forget about it!
>>
>> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror
> on
>> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
>> also have a fair amount of content pages.
>>
>> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that
> we
>> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
>> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
>> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
>> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will
> be
>> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
> forms
>> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
>> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> solution
>> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
>> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
>> Store Map.
>>
>> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
>> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
>> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
>> rid of anything else fast!
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
>>
>> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
>> dropped bu thousands. Did they
>> drop thousands of pages?
>>
>> Anyone have that link?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>

OT: Google link?



> Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm
not
> certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that
matter,
> does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
> just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under
different
> domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
> the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.

Bruce,

Did you miss Dave's post yesterday? Google indeed is now penalizing for
duplicate content on the same domain.

Jason




>
> The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
> prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they
can
> be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a
lot
> of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
> visits.)
>
> Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was
late
> and a long day.
>
> -Bruce Golub
> PHOSPHOR Media
> ......................................
> Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store
> Content.
> Download a hassle-free demo today
> <A HREF ="http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm">http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm</A>
> ......................................
>
>
>
>
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OT: Google link?



Hmmm.

Julie,

Did you have content on those other domains or did you just have your host
pointing those domains to your active domain with content?

I'm still confused about this. As I said, I have Hostasaurus pointing
several other domains (mostly variations of aquariumpros like
aquariumpros.org, aquariumpros.tv, etc.) to our main domain
(aquariumpros.com). However, those are not "live" domains with content.

Is that what you had and if so, how did you implement the 301 on the other
domains if they weren't live sites with editable content?

My understanding from the article that started this whole thread and my
coorespondence with Google is their new system does look at DNS info such as
ownership of domains as part of their ranking system. So a link or non 301
redirect from an active domain to another active domain with both domains
owned by the same party will lower ranking.

Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie
Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com
Cc: 'Miva Merchant Users'
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?


Obviously only Google knows for sure and anything else is pure
speculation, but will not disregard the possibility as I have read too
many anecdotal experiences with Google purging duplicate content
*within* the same domain. And my experience, I was using the name
servers (DNS pointing) to direct another domain to my main domain. And
within few weeks, the steady rankings my site once had were gone from
Google. I wasn't banned (the toolbar still showed a PR for my site, and
a "site:www.domain.com" did bring up all my pages within Google), BUT
any steady rankings I once enjoyed were literally gone. Even a search
for my business name, my site was not ranked well after the DNS
pointing. Once I implemented a 301 on the other domain rather than a
DNS redirect, my rankings returned. Thus, it leads me to never discount
what Google defines duplicate content as.

To that end, I am glad that Dave brought to our attention that dynamic
links and SFL can possibly be construed as duplicate content.

Which leads me back to my original question several posts ago; will
disallowing robots from spidering /miva/ or /merchant2/ directorys
(however the host has it set up) block the spiders from indexing SFL too?

Julie

Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----

>>
>>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump
>>static "doorway"
>>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have
>>static informational pages? What a week to head to NYC -
>>guess I should be a the conference that is going on next to
>>the Streaming Media - Google is one of teh sponsors
>>there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>>
>>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
>
>
> First of all, absolutly not, second of all, absolutely not<G>.
>
> Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm
not
> certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that
matter,
> does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
> just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under
different
> domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
> the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.
>
> The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
> prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they
can
> be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a
lot
> of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
> visits.)
>
> Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was
late
> and a long day.
>
> -Bruce Golub
> PHOSPHOR Media
> ......................................
> Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store
> Content.
> Download a hassle-free demo today
> <A HREF ="http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm">http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm</A>
> ......................................
>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?




>I don't know anyone has tried this, but I've always thought upselling would
>be far more effective if you could do it on the basket page instead of (or
>in addition to) the checkout process.

I just announced a new module about a week ago, that should be just about
what you're looking for. Here's a repeat of the original email:
================================================== ===========================
Hi folks --

I know a lot of you are looking for a more flexible way to provide upsales
& similar discounts for your customers. This new module should be just
what you need. Upsale Magic allows you to set up discounts with many
variations on the theme of, "buy X, get a special price on Y."

Messages describing the discounts are displayed to the customer as soon as
they view any product or catgeory for which a discount is available. Many
store managers will find this to be a vast improvement over Miva's upsale
feature, which does not display the special offer until a customer is
checking out of the store.

The module's essential features are:

- Both "X" and "Y" can be a single product, or a list of products; or the
discount can apply to all products in one or more categories.
- The discount can be set to offer a dollar amount, a percentage, or an
alternate price for the item.
- You can optionally set a limit on the number of "Y" items for which the
discount will apply.
- You can set up many different discounts for various products.
- The location of the discount messages can be specified by using tokens
for OpenUI or for template modules.
- Module settings allow you to customize the message text and add HTML
formatting.

The module is available at MivaCentral.com for Merchant version 4.x,
compiled or uncompiled:

http://mivacentral.com/MMP/?product=MMP-UPSLMAGIC

You must have either OpenUI or template modules (Viking, Copernicus, etc.)
to enable the message display (or, of course, you can customize your MMUI).
================================================== ===========================



Kent Multer | /| P.O.Box 701895, Dallas TX 75370
Magic Metal Productions | / | (214) 570 8264 voice/fax
| | [email protected]
* Web developer/designer http://TheMagicM.com
* E-commerce and Miva
* Author, The Official Miva Web Scripting Book -- available on-line:
<A HREF ="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0966103211/magicmetalproducA">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0966103211/magicmetalproducA</A>

OT: Google link?



Well, the easiest thing to do is actually have relative links within your
site -- don't use the <A HREF ="http://www.yoursite/com or https://www.yoursite.com at">http://www.yoursite/com or https://www.yoursite.com at</A>
all.

for example, on my main page the image there is linked to
/miva/graphics/00000001/jellybean_carrier.jpg only (this is a relative
URL -- an absolute URL means it has the entire address) even though if you
look at the properties if looks like
<A HREF ="http://www.maternitycorner.com/miva/graphics/00000001/jellybean_carrier.jpg ">http://www.maternitycorner.com/miva/...an_carrier.jpg </A>
-- if you came from a secure part of the site it would look like
https://www.maternitycorner.com/miva...an_carrier.jpg
-- and you wouldn't get the error message about some items being insecure
etc.

Gosh, did that make any sense? LOL


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Keith A.
Gillan
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [mru] ssl, bad images and no navigation bar


I have seen this question already but am not real sure how to fix it. you
all talk about relative and absolute urls. How do i change these so they
work? Please help novice here.

My host said to change all the pics to https not even sure how to do this

http://bestdamngear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

https://bestdamngear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

Thanks for the help.

Keith Gillan
[email protected]
www.bestdamngear.com

OT: Google link?



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OT: Google link? / correction



It'll be stopped. Few robots ignore the robots.txt file. Google, yahoo,
MSN, etc all adhere exactingly.

Marc

At 09:32 AM 5/17/2005, Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way wrote:


>Okay - I'm starting to understand what you are saying, but say for example
>I decide to go with the MO pages...what happens when the Google spider
>makes it to the dynamic content or will it be stopped by the Disallow:
>/Merchant2/

OT: Google link? / correction



I have to interject. The solution isn't dumping a mirror site and
staying with dynamic merchant pages.

The solution is making a choice and sticking to it. There are a ton of
good reasons for using a static mirror
over the merchant catalog. Speed and Usability for the customers, lower
cpu overhead, serving more traffic
including spiders on a lower end server than possible with dynamic
merchant pages alone....
The choice to me isn't to dis on static mirror pages... but to keep your
site clean and use static pages
OR dynamic pages...
I use a static mirror. I also use rewrite rules to keep googlebot and
other spiders in my static mirror.
I use a robots.txt to keep them out of Merchant2 folder. I help the
spiders keep their indexes clean.
so they don't see 3 versions of a page... they only see the same one the
customers see.
My dynamic pages are important from a development standpoint. They let
me see how my static page will look.
But ... my site map points to my static pages, my menus in my store
point to my static pages.. My
categories are static pages... AND I generate them all dynamically when
I want to in order to keep
it all up to date... The dynamic part of my store is integral to the
store... but I don't run my customers
through it... that way I don't have to go spend tens of thousands of
dollars on a server...

The choice is clear... use one method or the other... and beleive it...
you can switch from dynamic
to static with only a slight bobble for a few weeks in your rankings...
just be smart about it, plan it
and tell googlebot via 301 redirects where to find the replacement
page... googlebot doesn't want
to be a pain and lose good resources. You just gotta play by their
rules. And I've found
conincidentally that their rules... make for a good website... easy to
use by people.. and that's
most important to me... all the traffic in the world will only cost me
money if it doesn't convert.

Kelly


Aquapro wrote:

>So true! Just giving one store owner's true story for any newbie out there.
>
>There are many merchants who have purchased and implemented mirror creation
>Miva modules which are still being sold. This change in Google's strategy
>makes all of those solutions useless. The ONLY solution now is optimizing
>existing Merchant pages.
>
>We've been online since 1998. Those solutions were put in place originally
>because Google and many other spiders could not read or properly index
>dynamically generated pages. The dynamic pages they did index ranked lower.
>
>We just weren't paying attention to changes made over the last two years.
>
>I would advise anyone with the same problem to contact Google directly. It
>will take them a while to get back to you but will give you a chance to
>explain yourself so you don't get banned. In our case, simply deleting the
>mirrors will be enough as we've been in their index for years.
>
>
>Dave Hauser, President
>Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Keli E
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:32 PM
>To: Miva Merchant Users
>Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
>Since time began, ANY time you had to go out of your way to apease the
>search engines, it has been considered *spam* and banable.
>
>--
>Keli Etscorn, CEO
>Bear Canyon Consulting, LLC
>-----------------------------------------------
>RealEstateAgentHouse.com Realtor Solutions
>#1 in Google |Albuquerque Web Design
>KeliE.com |Nationally Featured Design
>BearCanyonSEO.com |Search Engine Optimization
>
>
>
>
>Aquapro wrote:
>
>
>>SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
>>past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
>>Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
>>rid of anything else fast!
>>
>>
>
>

OT: Google link? / correction



I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so, I
apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to the
same page? Will this cause issues?


Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
Aquariumpros.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains with
nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
pages of their own....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
Aquariumpros.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be linking!

If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same store),
then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.

The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
same content.



Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



The point of the thread is you should choose one or the other for Google to
index... having mirror pages like a MM dynamic page and the identical MO
static page apparently removes BOTH pages from the index according to the
original posts. MO pages are MUCH faster than MM pages, so I have everyone
seeing the MO pages instead. With this latest theory, it's better to be
safe then sorry... so I added the disallow in my robots.txt.

If you want Google to spider the MM pages only:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /catalog/ (or whatever you have MO using for a directory)

If you want Google to spider the MO pages only:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /Merchant2/ (or whatever your host uses for a MM directory)

Marc

At 09:07 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote:
>Okay, I would use the robot.txt IF I wanted Google to spider the MO and
>not spider the dynamic stuff? Is it better to have Google spidering MO?
>
>Leslie
>
>
> If using Merchant Optimizer (calling it MO now because it's shorter)...
> > add
> > a line in your robots.txt file:
> >
> > User-agent: *
> > Disallow: /Merchant2/
> >
> > I have a few others in my robots.txt, but that's because the bottom two
> > are
> > nasty... with the last one sucking up resources every time it visits.
> >
> > Then... in your .htaccess file I have it pointing so that the MO
> > directory. In my case www.sausagesource.com/catalog/index.html is the
> > default index instead of the normal
> > www.sausagesource.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc which is commonplace. In my
> > .htaccess it starts off with this:
> >
> > Options -Indexes
> > DirectoryIndex /catalog/index.html
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > At 07:35 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote:
> >>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump static
> >> "doorway"
> >>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have static
> >>informational pages? What a week to head to NYC - guess I should be a the
> >>conference that is going on next to the Streaming Media - Google is one
> >> of
> >>teh sponsors there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
> >>
> >>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
> >

OT: Google link?



Okay, I would use the robot.txt IF I wanted Google to spider the MO and
not spider the dynamic stuff? Is it better to have Google spidering MO?

Leslie


If using Merchant Optimizer (calling it MO now because it's shorter)...
> add
> a line in your robots.txt file:
>
> User-agent: *
> Disallow: /Merchant2/
>
> I have a few others in my robots.txt, but that's because the bottom two
> are
> nasty... with the last one sucking up resources every time it visits.
>
> Then... in your .htaccess file I have it pointing so that the MO
> directory. In my case www.sausagesource.com/catalog/index.html is the
> default index instead of the normal
> www.sausagesource.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc which is commonplace. In my
> .htaccess it starts off with this:
>
> Options -Indexes
> DirectoryIndex /catalog/index.html
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> At 07:35 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote:
>>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump static
>> "doorway"
>>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have static
>>informational pages? What a week to head to NYC - guess I should be a the
>>conference that is going on next to the Streaming Media - Google is one
>> of
>>teh sponsors there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>>
>>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
>

OT: Google link?



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If using Merchant Optimizer (calling it MO now because it's shorter)... add
a line in your robots.txt file:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /Merchant2/

I have a few others in my robots.txt, but that's because the bottom two are
nasty... with the last one sucking up resources every time it visits.

Then... in your .htaccess file I have it pointing so that the MO
directory. In my case www.sausagesource.com/catalog/index.html is the
default index instead of the normal
www.sausagesource.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc which is commonplace. In my
.htaccess it starts off with this:

Options -Indexes
DirectoryIndex /catalog/index.html

Marc



At 07:35 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote:
>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump static "doorway"
>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have static
>informational pages? What a week to head to NYC - guess I should be a the
>conference that is going on next to the Streaming Media - Google is one of
>teh sponsors there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>
>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.

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