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    If only we all had your programming skills, Jeff :-)


    Jen


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Huber
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    Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:17 AM
    To: Jen Ferraz; [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Yes certainly. With "regular" and "end-user" being the key words
    there.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454

    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:41 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jeff:

    I wasn't referring to the indexes, but
    to the use of the internal Product ID (e.g.)
    in the other databases, like attributes,
    categories, relprods, etc. Deleting a product
    requires figuring out the internal ID, then
    checking for attributes, categories, etc, etc,
    based on that ID. I think that's more then
    a regular Merchant end-user is going to want to
    do with just tools like Access and phpMyAdmin.


    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeff Huber - Listmail [mailto:[email protected]]=20
    Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:16 PM
    To: Jen Ferraz; [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Ahh, but the indexes are no longer an issue if you are using
    MySQL.

    An application can be written in C, or whatever language is
    favored, that has a super slick user interface, super fast screen
    redraws, does local caching, does, all sorts of batch insert
    stuff, and then has a publish button to update the MySQL
    databases.

    Actually you could even have such an application publish to
    multiple MySQL databases so that you could first publish to your
    test store and make sure you liked the changes, then publish to
    the real store.

    It was the proprietary indexes that stopped really super slick
    3rd party tools from being created to manage MIVA Merchant data,
    not the cross references to other tables.

    Or at least that is my opinion.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454
    =20




    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:15 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jelani:

    Merchant has a product import from flat file
    that you can use with a spreadsheet.=20

    Merchant's databases still have the same
    dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    (e.g., updating a product through the admin=20
    effects multiple databases, especially if your
    products have attributes) so loading directly
    into a database would not work unless you
    manually address all those other updates that
    need to be done.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


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    From: ow[email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most
    important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5,
    besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL
    database,
    and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard
    it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or
    Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to
    type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can
    someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




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    Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5



    Yes certainly. With "regular" and "end-user" being the key words
    there.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454

    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:41 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jeff:

    I wasn't referring to the indexes, but
    to the use of the internal Product ID (e.g.)
    in the other databases, like attributes,
    categories, relprods, etc. Deleting a product
    requires figuring out the internal ID, then
    checking for attributes, categories, etc, etc,
    based on that ID. I think that's more then
    a regular Merchant end-user is going to want to
    do with just tools like Access and phpMyAdmin.


    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeff Huber - Listmail [mailto:[email protected]]=20
    Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:16 PM
    To: Jen Ferraz; [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Ahh, but the indexes are no longer an issue if you are using
    MySQL.

    An application can be written in C, or whatever language is
    favored, that has a super slick user interface, super fast screen
    redraws, does local caching, does, all sorts of batch insert
    stuff, and then has a publish button to update the MySQL
    databases.

    Actually you could even have such an application publish to
    multiple MySQL databases so that you could first publish to your
    test store and make sure you liked the changes, then publish to
    the real store.

    It was the proprietary indexes that stopped really super slick
    3rd party tools from being created to manage MIVA Merchant data,
    not the cross references to other tables.

    Or at least that is my opinion.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454
    =20




    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:15 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jelani:

    Merchant has a product import from flat file
    that you can use with a spreadsheet.=20

    Merchant's databases still have the same
    dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    (e.g., updating a product through the admin=20
    effects multiple databases, especially if your
    products have attributes) so loading directly
    into a database would not work unless you
    manually address all those other updates that
    need to be done.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most
    important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5,
    besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL
    database,
    and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard
    it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or
    Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to
    type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can
    someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




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    Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5



    Hi Jeff:

    I wasn't referring to the indexes, but
    to the use of the internal Product ID (e.g.)
    in the other databases, like attributes,
    categories, relprods, etc. Deleting a product
    requires figuring out the internal ID, then
    checking for attributes, categories, etc, etc,
    based on that ID. I think that's more then
    a regular Merchant end-user is going to want to
    do with just tools like Access and phpMyAdmin.


    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeff Huber - Listmail [mailto:[email protected]]=20
    Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:16 PM
    To: Jen Ferraz; [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ahh, but the indexes are no longer an issue if you are using
    MySQL.

    An application can be written in C, or whatever language is
    favored, that has a super slick user interface, super fast screen
    redraws, does local caching, does, all sorts of batch insert
    stuff, and then has a publish button to update the MySQL
    databases.

    Actually you could even have such an application publish to
    multiple MySQL databases so that you could first publish to your
    test store and make sure you liked the changes, then publish to
    the real store.

    It was the proprietary indexes that stopped really super slick
    3rd party tools from being created to manage MIVA Merchant data,
    not the cross references to other tables.

    Or at least that is my opinion.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454
    =20




    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:15 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jelani:

    Merchant has a product import from flat file
    that you can use with a spreadsheet.=20

    Merchant's databases still have the same
    dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    (e.g., updating a product through the admin=20
    effects multiple databases, especially if your
    products have attributes) so loading directly
    into a database would not work unless you
    manually address all those other updates that
    need to be done.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most
    important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5,
    besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL
    database,
    and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard
    it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or
    Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to
    type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can
    someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




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    Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5



    Ahh, but the indexes are no longer an issue if you are using
    MySQL.

    An application can be written in C, or whatever language is
    favored, that has a super slick user interface, super fast screen
    redraws, does local caching, does, all sorts of batch insert
    stuff, and then has a publish button to update the MySQL
    databases.

    Actually you could even have such an application publish to
    multiple MySQL databases so that you could first publish to your
    test store and make sure you liked the changes, then publish to
    the real store.

    It was the proprietary indexes that stopped really super slick
    3rd party tools from being created to manage MIVA Merchant data,
    not the cross references to other tables.

    Or at least that is my opinion.

    - Jeff Huber
    President, 4TheBest eCommerce Solutions
    http://4TheBest.com
    [email protected]
    Office: 760-742-1469
    Cell: 760-445-8454
    =20




    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jen
    Ferraz
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:15 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in
    MM5


    Hi Jelani:

    Merchant has a product import from flat file
    that you can use with a spreadsheet.=20

    Merchant's databases still have the same
    dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    (e.g., updating a product through the admin=20
    effects multiple databases, especially if your
    products have attributes) so loading directly
    into a database would not work unless you
    manually address all those other updates that
    need to be done.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most
    important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5,
    besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL
    database,
    and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard
    it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or
    Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to
    type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can
    someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




    Leave a comment:


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    Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5



    Storeman from phosphormedia.com has
    some better product management features then
    using the admin and the flat file import for
    Merchant4. I don't what their schedule is for=20
    Merchant 5.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]=20
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:57 PM
    To: Jen Ferraz
    Cc: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Thanks for the reply. I currently use Excel to create Flat files for
    product uploads. The only drawback is that I use HTML for the
    descriptions, so I have to enter it via the admin, which is too time
    consuming. The reason I have to use HTML is that my product
    descriptions
    have four sections: A section which has three highlights or bullet
    points,
    the description itself, features, and then technical specs. It would be
    alot easier if I could just enter each item in it's own cell in a
    spreadsheet, and then be done.

    I just started reading books on PHP and MySQL prior to the release of
    MM5
    in the hopes of creating my own SQL driven site. MM5 fulfills the need.

    However, I really would like to see a solution with product updates. If
    a
    third party developer is reading this message, and could come up with a
    solution, such as a spreadsheet type maintenance system, it may be of
    value to alot of users. It certainly would be to me. Also, another nice
    feature would be to have the capability to place multiple tabs in the
    product page which reveal differnt information within the product page
    once selected. For example, with my pages, I could have a tab for
    Descriptions, a tab for Specs, and a tab for features, all within the
    product page.



    > Hi Jelani:
    >
    > Merchant has a product import from flat file
    > that you can use with a spreadsheet.
    >
    > Merchant's databases still have the same
    > dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    > (e.g., updating a product through the admin
    > effects multiple databases, especially if your
    > products have attributes) so loading directly
    > into a database would not work unless you
    > manually address all those other updates that
    > need to be done.
    >
    >
    >
    > Jen
    > Hostasaurus.Com
    > Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    > 813.971.8772
    > [email protected]
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: [email protected]
    > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    > [email protected]
    > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    > To: [email protected]
    > Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5
    >
    >
    > Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most important
    > features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5,
    besides
    > SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL database,
    > and
    > whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard it
    > called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or Access
    to
    > connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to type
    > product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can someone
    speak
    > to the possibilities of database management in MM5??
    >
    > Thanks in Advance
    >
    > Jelani
    >
    >
    >
    >

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    Thanks for the reply. I currently use Excel to create Flat files for
    product uploads. The only drawback is that I use HTML for the
    descriptions, so I have to enter it via the admin, which is too time
    consuming. The reason I have to use HTML is that my product descriptions
    have four sections: A section which has three highlights or bullet points,
    the description itself, features, and then technical specs. It would be
    alot easier if I could just enter each item in it's own cell in a
    spreadsheet, and then be done.

    I just started reading books on PHP and MySQL prior to the release of MM5
    in the hopes of creating my own SQL driven site. MM5 fulfills the need.
    However, I really would like to see a solution with product updates. If a
    third party developer is reading this message, and could come up with a
    solution, such as a spreadsheet type maintenance system, it may be of
    value to alot of users. It certainly would be to me. Also, another nice
    feature would be to have the capability to place multiple tabs in the
    product page which reveal differnt information within the product page
    once selected. For example, with my pages, I could have a tab for
    Descriptions, a tab for Specs, and a tab for features, all within the
    product page.



    > Hi Jelani:
    >
    > Merchant has a product import from flat file
    > that you can use with a spreadsheet.
    >
    > Merchant's databases still have the same
    > dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    > (e.g., updating a product through the admin
    > effects multiple databases, especially if your
    > products have attributes) so loading directly
    > into a database would not work unless you
    > manually address all those other updates that
    > need to be done.
    >
    >
    >
    > Jen
    > Hostasaurus.Com
    > Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    > 813.971.8772
    > [email protected]
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: [email protected]
    > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    > [email protected]
    > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    > To: [email protected]
    > Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5
    >
    >
    > Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most important
    > features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5, besides
    > SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL database,
    > and
    > whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard it
    > called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or Access to
    > connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to type
    > product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can someone speak
    > to the possibilities of database management in MM5??
    >
    > Thanks in Advance
    >
    > Jelani
    >
    >
    >
    >

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    Hi Jelani:

    Merchant has a product import from flat file
    that you can use with a spreadsheet.=20

    Merchant's databases still have the same
    dependencies that they did in Merchant4,
    (e.g., updating a product through the admin=20
    effects multiple databases, especially if your
    products have attributes) so loading directly
    into a database would not work unless you
    manually address all those other updates that
    need to be done.



    Jen
    Hostasaurus.Com
    Miva Premier Hosting Partner
    813.971.8772
    [email protected]


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
    [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:10 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [m5u] Alternative methods of Managing Products in MM5


    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5, besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL database,
    and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




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    Ease of updating/adding/deleting products is one of the most important
    features to me as a merchant when considering upgrading to MM5, besides
    SQL capabilities. Since MM5 has the option of using a MySQL database, and
    whatever other SQL type database (Miva-SQL, i believe I've heard it
    called), is it possible to use other programs such as Excel or Access to
    connect to tables and manage products?? Ideally, I would like to type
    product data into a spreadsheet, and be done with it. Can someone speak
    to the possibilities of database management in MM5??

    Thanks in Advance

    Jelani




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