Where is everyone

I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days, I'm
just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left with
questions to post.

Frank Morrall
Miva Product Manager

Where is everyone



I'm here. I'm just overloaded with Perl assignments so I haven't been =
working on Miva lately. :)

--Fuscus aka "Fake Jonathan"
SiteCreative.com

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On 12/6/00 at 8:57 AM Morrall, Frank wrote:

>I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days, =
I'm
>just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left =
with
>questions to post.
>
> Frank Morrall
> Miva Product Manager
>

Where is everyone



Frank,

I would tell you the ship is sinking, but then again I should probably refrain....god only knows ya'll haven't listened yet...and I ahve been saying the same things for years now...(check the archives).

While your still flush with income from the merchant sales, you might want to consider open sourcing the engine...with PHP and ASP running amuck...I don't see how you expect Miva to do much more than a small time niche product...and from all indications, anyone can develope a merchant application and Yahoo has proven that it can't really be vaiably/reliably provided for cheap web hosting accounts (so Yahoo/Geocities can't add it as a add-on feature).

Oh well. Miva continues to be entertaining to watch. You would be amazed at how successful my posts have been off-line.

Aaron





On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 Morrall Frank wrote:
> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days, I'm
> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left with
> questions to post.
>
> Frank Morrall
> Miva Product Manager
>

Where is everyone



No we all busy packing our orders or trying to fix sites that are down
during the busiest e-commerce time of the year...which brings me to my
question for you...in all seriousness, why was 3.0 released now, while
most of us are either feverishly working on client's stores, packing
boxes, or heck, spending time with the family? Why not wait a few
weeks and release it after the first of the year?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:57 AM
Subject: [meu] Where is everyone


> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few
days, I'm
> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
with
> questions to post.
>
> Frank Morrall
> Miva Product Manager
>

Where is everyone



We're sitting here quietly waiting for RELEASE 4! :)

Greg

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:57 AM
Subject: [meu] Where is everyone


> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days, I'm
> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left with
> questions to post.
>
> Frank Morrall
> Miva Product Manager
>

Where is everyone



... and Yahoo & Geocities allow you to run your OWN cgi scripts???

Greg

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Aaron Gilmer" <[email protected]>
To: "Morrall Frank " <[email protected]>
Cc: "Miva Users " <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meu] Where is everyone


> Frank,
>
> I would tell you the ship is sinking, but then again I should probably
refrain....god only knows ya'll haven't listened yet...and I ahve been
saying the same things for years now...(check the archives).
>
> While your still flush with income from the merchant sales, you might want
to consider open sourcing the engine...with PHP and ASP running amuck...I
don't see how you expect Miva to do much more than a small time niche
product...and from all indications, anyone can develope a merchant
application and Yahoo has proven that it can't really be vaiably/reliably
provided for cheap web hosting accounts (so Yahoo/Geocities can't add it as
a add-on feature).
>
> Oh well. Miva continues to be entertaining to watch. You would be amazed
at how successful my posts have been off-line.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 Morrall Frank wrote:
> > I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days,
I'm
> > just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
with
> > questions to post.
> >
> > Frank Morrall
> > Miva Product Manager
> >

Where is everyone



Your reason to wait escapes me... Why not let them release asap, and YOU can
wait to install it when you're not so busy? Why hold up the whole client
base?

Greg

*******************************
Web site design, promotion & hosting
<A HREF ="http://www.gddesign.com">http://www.gddesign.com</A>
<A HREF ="http://www.a1hostco.com">http://www.a1hostco.com</A>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Golub - PHOSPHOR Media" <[email protected]>
To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meu] Where is everyone


> No we all busy packing our orders or trying to fix sites that are down
> during the busiest e-commerce time of the year...which brings me to my
> question for you...in all seriousness, why was 3.0 released now, while
> most of us are either feverishly working on client's stores, packing
> boxes, or heck, spending time with the family? Why not wait a few
> weeks and release it after the first of the year?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
> To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:57 AM
> Subject: [meu] Where is everyone
>
>
> > I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few
> days, I'm
> > just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
> with
> > questions to post.
> >
> > Frank Morrall
> > Miva Product Manager
> >

Where is everyone



I'll second that one!

Bob Staaf
Southern Web Services
Orlando, Fl

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg" <[email protected]>
To: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>; "Miva Users"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meu] Where is everyone


> We're sitting here quietly waiting for RELEASE 4! :)
>
> Greg
>
> *******************************
> Web site design, promotion & hosting
> <A HREF ="http://www.gddesign.com">http://www.gddesign.com</A>
> <A HREF ="http://www.a1hostco.com">http://www.a1hostco.com</A>
> *******************************
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
> To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:57 AM
> Subject: [meu] Where is everyone
>
>
> > I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days,
I'm
> > just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
with
> > questions to post.
> >
> > Frank Morrall
> > Miva Product Manager
> >

Where is everyone



I thought that releasing it now was a rather good idea. People don't =
HAVE to upgrade right now - but if someone desperately needs a feature =
that is found in 3.0, I think it would be a good pre-Christmas present. =
We have a lot of domain name customers that don't need to upgrade, and =
probably won't until there's a new feature that they see and say, "Hey =
- that's pretty peachy-keen. I'd like that!" (Well, maybe not =
"peachy-keen"...)=20

--Fuscus aka "Fake Jonathan"
SiteCreative.com


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On 12/6/00 at 9:27 AM Bruce Golub - PHOSPHOR Media wrote:

>No we all busy packing our orders or trying to fix sites that are down
>during the busiest e-commerce time of the year...which brings me to my
>question for you...in all seriousness, why was 3.0 released now, while
>most of us are either feverishly working on client's stores, packing
>boxes, or heck, spending time with the family? Why not wait a few
>weeks and release it after the first of the year?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
>To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:57 AM
>Subject: [meu] Where is everyone
>
>
>> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few
>days, I'm
>> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
>with
>> questions to post.
>>
>> Frank Morrall
>> Miva Product Manager
>>

Where is everyone



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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:40:53 -0500, Greg wrote:

>... and Yahoo & Geocities allow you to run your OWN cgi scripts???
>
>Greg
>
LoL When I was a Community Leader at GeoCities (I was training myself in web design without realising it at the time!)
I spent quite a bit of time in forums explaining why member cgi wouldn't be a good idea. I was given plenty of support evidence
when a rogue script wiped out 10,000 accounts on NZ's leading ISP's hosting farm - and those guys charged $50 to mount a
user-cgi, supposedly to cover the cost of checking security!

As for me, busy trying to wrap up two sites before I go on holiday on Monday - and patiently trying to download Opera 5.0

Richard

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Where is everyone



I have to agree here, there is really no must have in 3.0 that I can see.
My 2.22 store already has EVERY single feature that 3.0 has. I will be
upgrading in March and even then only so that I can trim down on some of the
modules I am running and take advantage of the fact they are now built into
Merchant. If you do think there is something peachy in 3.0 you can probably
find a module for 2.x that will do the same thing.

Just my 2 cents, take 'em or leave 'em I have plenty more :)

Bob Staaf
Southern Web Services
Orlando, Fl

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hilgeman" <[email protected]>
To: "Users Group Miva" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meu] Where is everyone


I thought that releasing it now was a rather good idea. People don't HAVE to
upgrade right now - but if someone desperately needs a feature that is found
in 3.0, I think it would be a good pre-Christmas present. We have a lot of
domain name customers that don't need to upgrade, and probably won't until
there's a new feature that they see and say, "Hey - that's pretty
peachy-keen. I'd like that!" (Well, maybe not "peachy-keen"...)

--Fuscus aka "Fake Jonathan"
SiteCreative.com


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On 12/6/00 at 9:27 AM Bruce Golub - PHOSPHOR Media wrote:

>No we all busy packing our orders or trying to fix sites that are down
>during the busiest e-commerce time of the year...which brings me to my
>question for you...in all seriousness, why was 3.0 released now, while
>most of us are either feverishly working on client's stores, packing
>boxes, or heck, spending time with the family? Why not wait a few
>weeks and release it after the first of the year?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Morrall, Frank" <[email protected]>
>To: "Miva Users" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:57 AM
>Subject: [meu] Where is everyone
>
>
>> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few
>days, I'm
>> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left
>with
>> questions to post.
>>
>> Frank Morrall
>> Miva Product Manager
>>

Where is everyone



> LoL When I was a Community Leader at GeoCities (I was training myself in
web design without realising it at the time!)


eGads! You suffered through being a CL too? I was Liaison of Heartland for
longer than I care to remember... Boy have I grown in my web expertise
since then....

Where is everyone



Tami,
Hmm, I've never hosted at Cybrmall, so I don't know their setup. You =
may want to check the permissions and make sure your forms are allowed =
to use sendmail. I assume you've made an error before to make sure the =
error logs are working? The e-mail address shouldn't really screw =
things up unless it's got some funky characters in it that aren't =
e-mail-address-friendly. That sounds like something you should take up =
with your sysadmin. Hope you get it worked out.

--Fuscus aka "Fake Jonathan"
SiteCreative.com


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On 12/6/00 at 1:09 PM Tami wrote:

>I hope you don't mind me picking your brain for a bit... You mentioned =
Perl,
>and I just so happen to be having a slight Perl related problem.
>
>I've installed two form processors on my site at Cybrmall... they both =
run,
>but neither one will actually send the mail (BFormMail and =
SouperMail). The
>error logs have no error in them, and I've verified that the path is =
correct
>to sendmail - also the email address I'm sending to is correct. Any =
other
>things I need to check for?
>
>I'm really wanting to get the BFormMail one working, as it can put the =
data
>in flat database that I can use with Miva... [sigh]
>
>Any help you can give me would be much appreciated.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jonathan Hilgeman" <[email protected]>
>To: "Users Group Miva" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [meu] Where is everyone
>
>
>> I'm here. I'm just overloaded with Perl assignments so I haven't =
been
>working on Miva lately. :)
>>
>> --Fuscus aka "Fake Jonathan"
>> SiteCreative.com
>>
>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>> On 12/6/00 at 8:57 AM Morrall, Frank wrote:
>>
>> >I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few =
days,
>I'm
>> >just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one =
left with
>> >questions to post.
>> >
>> > Frank Morrall
>> > Miva Product Manager
>> >

Where is everyone



Greg wrote:
>
> ... and Yahoo & Geocities allow you to run your OWN cgi scripts???

Well, we (Yahoo! Website Services) do of course... as long as the CGI
script is written in Miva. :)

Doug
--
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke

Do YOU Yahoo!?

Where is everyone



"Morrall, Frank" wrote:
>
> I have been watching the posts on this list dwindle the last few days, I'm
> just wondering if everyone is on vacation or if there is no one left with
> questions to post.

This is kind of funny... every new mailing list support person from miva
corp. makes the same mistake. You guys should put in your training manual,
"Rule Number One: Never complain about a quiet list!" :)

Doug
--
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke

Do YOU Yahoo!?