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    Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

    I've noticed a lot more chatter on this forum reguarding SEO for Miva Merchant sites. Considering Miva is now offering SEO Products I figured I'd help clarify some things for people that are interested in taking a stab at SEO'ing their own websites.

    We'll first discuss Miva's SEO Products. UNDERSTAND, that the seo products that miva offers will 100% not get you ranked in any way shape or form by themselves. That's not to say the seo bundles they offer aren't useful, but they are nothing more than the first step in a process that takes 1000 steps to work. Furthermore, they are to some extent the least important aspects of achieving rankings for your website.

    Miva's most popular seo bundle includes 4 services which I will outline below and explain why they truely should be the least of your worries. Once again, the $270 Miva Package is worth buying, but represents less than 10% of the true seo puzzle. It's not worth buying if you're not going to do the things I outline towards the end of this post:

    Adding of ALT tags images
    (part 1 of miva's package)
    This is an seo must, however, you can easily accomplish this on your own by planting the product name token into the alt tag of the product images. So in this case, this will benefit you, but do not assume in any way that this is going to get you traffic because it won't.

    SEO Friendly URL setup
    Miva's URL's are fully supported and indexable by Google, MSN and Yahoo which are just about the only search engines that matter. There is a video created by Matt Cutts, one of Google's most important and noticable employees that explains that back in 2006 Google improved the way their bots are able to index dynamic URL's. He explains in the video that as long as you don't have more than 3 or 4 different parameters, you don't have to worry. By default, miva category pages only have 2 parameters and the product pages only have 3. This falls well within what google can understand and you better believe that if google fixed this problem back in March of 2006, Yahoo and MSN did also. We operate tons of Miva sites for both our own company and our clients and we have never had a problem with the search engines finding every page within our site. The key is to plan your sites navigation in an intelligent manner and you don't want to change your category codes and product codes either. Keep everything consistent and once a cat or product page gets indexed and starts ranking well, NEVER change that category or product code unless you know how to redirect the old to the new. Otherwise you'll lose your ranking for that page. So you do not need to spend money on an seo friendly links module because Miva's urls are SEO friendly out of the box. Anyone who says they aren't, does not know what they are talking about. Here's a link to Matt Cutts Video about this topic. Remember this is back in July of 2006 so all of the search engines can now fully understand and easily keep track of Miva URL's.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...20126300142609

    Meta Tag Setup
    Meta Tags are one of the most overrated areas of the seo world. The only meta tag you need to concern yourself with is the <meta description> tag. This tag is what gives the search engine that cool text blurb about your site. The <meta keywords> tag is literally worthless and not even used in any way by Google or Yahoo. There are a few crappy search engines that still use it, so its worth having, but don't include more than 2-4 keyword terms in this tag on each page. Once again, anyone that over emphasises the keywords meta tag is an seo idiot and doesn't know what they're talking about. The meta description tag is the only meta tag you need. Furthermore, the most important tag within your header is the <title> tag. Out of the box, Miva includes either your product or category names within this tag so you really don't need to have anyone help you with this. Just name your products and categories something that best describes them and make sure it's to some extent keyword oriented and you're good to go here.

    Submit To Search Engines
    Once again, this type of service is not needed. If you need someone to submit your site to search engines, then you're never going to get any traffic anyway unless you pay for it via adwords or yahoo search marketing. If you don't plan on doing all of the other things needed to actually get your site ranked, you might as well have someone submit your site to the se's, but once again, this service will do literally zero in getting you traffic and in getting your website ranked and it will take forever for the site to get added. The best way to help the search engines quickly find your website is issue a bunch of online press releases using outlets like EzineArticles.com, PRweb.com and a bunch of other free services. Furthermore, many idiot SEO'ers try to tell you that you need to submit your website to search engines multiple times. This couldn't be more false. If you are going to go about the manual rout of submitting your site to the se's, only do it once. Google, Yahoo and MSN all have spelled out in their guidlines that you are only supposed to submit your site to their directory 1 TIME. If you submit your site more than that, you risk getting banned or penalized.

    SO WHAT REALLY MAKES YOUR WEBSITE RANK IN THE SEARCH ENGINES?

    Links, Quality Content & a well organized and structured navigational scheme.

    What do I mean by links?
    The way the search engines decide how important your website is and how worthy it is of being included in their rankings is mostly determined by how often they see other sites link to your site. The idea is that the more often they see other sites link to your site, the more they believe they can trust your site and its content. Most website owners have heard of link trading. The sole purpose of link trading is to improve your websites "Link Popularity". The better your link popularity is, the better your website rankings will be. Link trading is becoming more and more obsolete on a daily basis because of spammers and those that abuse this technique so the best method of getting links that point to your website is through free online directories.

    More about links: Do not use your website URL as the anchor text or title of your link. Use the keyword phrase or phrases that your trying to target the most. I could go on all day about link trading, but just search some seo forums and you'll find more about how to do manage your own link campaign effectively.

    Quality Content
    The second most important ranking factor is the quality and uniqueness of your content. Make sure that your home page, category pages and product pages include both good text descriptions of your site and that they also include links into other pages of your site. For instance on your home page, you should always have featured products or what not as well as additional category launches that describe each category on your site with a direct link to the category. On your category pages, you should feature between 20-30 products per page (or more) and make sure that each image has an alt tag that reiterates the product name. On your product pages, make sure to use the related items feature within miva to forward users to other products the user may be interested in. The search engines like it when you make them systematically jump from page to page to page to page, in an organized and easy to follow manner.

    Well Structured Navigation
    Your websites navigation is equally as important. Miva's category tree is only seo friendly if you don't have sub-categories within each main category. If you have sub-categories, they are hidden from the search engine when the bot or spider hits your home page. Nowadays a css navigational menu that includes drop down selections for each main category (see bonitaj.com or pawsforamomentgifts.com) is the best way to make sure every main category and subcategory on your site is visible by the search engines from your home page.

    In Closing & PLEASE NOTE:
    Please understand (especially the Miva Moderators) that I'm not slamming the packages that Miva offers for seo. If it wasn't for Miva, I wouldn't have a nice house, nice car, clothing or food. 50% of our clients are Miva Merchant store owners and the other 50% are SEO clients. I'm just saying that if you think you're going to pay $270 for an SEO package and that the $270 you invest is going to get you even 100 visitors, you have been horribly mislead. The $270 package that miva offers is nothing more than 1 step in the right direction. You're going to have to take 100 more steps before you ever get a single visitor from the search engines. Without either paying an SEO expert or putting in hour upon hour of hard work in yourself, you're website will never rank well for anything (unless the market you are in is so non-competitve that it isn't funny).

    I'm willing to offer up free seo advice to miva store owners (through this thread only) for as long as Miva keeps this thread up. There will be some that will refute what I say and believe me, it will not be difficult to separate the true seo experts from those that really don't know what they are talking about.

    The seo industry is one of the most unethical around so its easy to get bad advice. The goal here is to make sure that you miva store owners only get good valid advice. If you implement a "bad" strategy that you picked up from some forum or through word of mouth, you could either waste a lot of time, or even worse get penalized or banned by the search engines.

    Let's start a discussion.
    Ted Hust
    AarcMediaGroup.com

    Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
    Miva Merchant Design

    #2
    Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

    Thanks for the good info on SEO with Miva. Our site sends daily feeds to sites like Froogle.com , shopzilla, yahoo, etc for price shoppers. Are there any tricks that will help improve SEO through these methods? If our feeds are not working, we get very little traffic to our site.
    Best Regards,
    Chris Ellerbroek
    Web Development & Sales

    www.voltz.com
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      #3
      Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

      Froogle (now google products), shopzilla and yahoo shopping do not provide any seo benefit for your site from what I've heard. I've heard that the msn shop featured does provide some link juice, but the verdict is still out on how much. So all of these services are helpful in driving traffic to your site, but they typically will not improve your search engine rankings on purpose. Most that forward users to your site, use what is called a nofollow tag in the link to purposely not pass link juice. If they did help your rankings, the services would be abused too badly.
      Ted Hust
      AarcMediaGroup.com

      Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
      Miva Merchant Design

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        #4
        Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

        Let me also add to this thread that we're not discounting the usefullness of the seo friendly links module. Someone in another thread pointed out that their site uses a ton of modules and in some cases their url's use as many as 7 parameters. In this case, you would definately want to use Sebenza's Ultimate SEO Links Mod.

        My point above was that out of the box, Miva 5 is much more seo friendly than most people think if used wisely. If you're store has 5000 products, use the seo friendly module. However if you're store only as 200 or so products spread out maybe 10-20 per category, don't sweat it.
        Ted Hust
        AarcMediaGroup.com

        Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
        Miva Merchant Design

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          #5
          Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

          I have purchased Sebenza's friendly links module for our business. It appeared to have immediate results "improvement" with our google positions, not to say google was not already listing our pages before the module.

          With over 1000 products listed on our Miva Merchant, pages were immediately listed by page /category/ and /product/. I would also vouch to say SEO modules are not essential however will help.


          Miva Built, Ecommerce Store
          Cyrus Persian Rugs - Modern & Traditional Rugs

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            #6
            Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

            I have a question in regards to the drop down menu statement.

            My menu is on the left side of my store. Can one have a css navigational menu that pops out to the right of the main category opposed to directly below it. And why is it a sub menu which pops out when you hover over it, gets indedexed by search engines and a regular sub menu does not? just curious. And do customers find a cvs menu harder to navigate with? some sites which have them are a pain to use (maybe programmed improperly).

            thanks.. and interesting post

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              #7
              Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

              There are tons of options for css menus that pop out from the left to right for left column navigations.

              We develop Sliding CSS menus that run both Vertically and Horizontally. Most able web developers can help you with this if you all ready have a designer. The SEO benefits of having a menu like these are huge because it makes all of your categories viewable (no matter how many levels deep they go) from every page within your website. This helps in building a better internal link structure and also helps spread PR more effectively.
              Ted Hust
              AarcMediaGroup.com

              Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
              Miva Merchant Design

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                #8
                Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                To address the second part of your question: "are cascading menus harder for customers to use" the answer is yes....however, maybe not harder than trying to navigate 300 sub-cats within 30 categories.

                Almost all web design is a balance of trade-offs. As AarMedia pointed out, one of the benefits of CSS type cascading menus (not the javascript ones) is that they are SE friendly (and friendlier to none JS enabled browsers and other devices).
                Bruce Golub
                Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

                Improve Your Customer Service | Get MORE Customers | Edit CSS/Javascript/HTML Easily | Make Your Site Faster | Get Indexed by Google | Free Modules | Follow Us on Facebook
                phosphormedia.com

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                  #9
                  Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                  thanks for the information guys. Is there a reason a menu which isn't "viewable" until you hover over it more se friendly then one which is viewable once you click the main category? just curious, not saying otherwise. seems backwards to me. Appreciate the knowledge.

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                    #10
                    Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                    If done correctly, a CSS type cascading menu contains ALL the categories, sub-categories, and sub-sub categories, etc. that exist. You just don't see them through the broswer as those items are "hidden" until you mouse over them.
                    Bruce Golub
                    Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

                    Improve Your Customer Service | Get MORE Customers | Edit CSS/Javascript/HTML Easily | Make Your Site Faster | Get Indexed by Google | Free Modules | Follow Us on Facebook
                    phosphormedia.com

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                      #11
                      Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                      Great thread. Thanks for posting this aarcmedia. Talk a bit about link building if you can. What strategy gets you the biggest bang for you buck? (I don't mean buck as in dollars b/c I'm not interested in paying for links. I mean "buck" as in the effort you spend on getting the links.) If you had one piece of advice for a client looking to buid incoming links (not reciprocal) what would it be?

                      thanks!
                      Julie Lee
                      Julie's Jewels
                      www.juliesjewels.com

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                        #12
                        Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                        No small business owner that has a good grasp of internet technologies and that learns quickly (& that also has some time on their hands) should pay for links. It's easy enough to accumulate links if you're pointed in the right direction. We have in our possession a couple of SEO friendly directories whose sole purpose is to provide one-way linking opportunities for web masters.

                        If you PM me your email address, I have an excel file that contains a list of 300-400 seo friendly link directories that will get you a good start. Anyone that wants it can PM me their email address and I'll get it emailed out. Don't get mad if it takes me until Monday to get it to you:)

                        A lot of people are still trading links, but I would stay away from this practice as its becoming a more finely tuned art. It used to be that you could trade links with anyone and everyone and it would benefit you. Nowadays, its nearly impossible for the average webmaster to run a link trade campaign and have it actually help them. Thats a shame because there are still webmasters out there that probably trade 100's to 1000's of links without realizing that they are maybe only seeing an seo benefit from 5-10% of the links they trade. There are too many factors that go into what constitutes a good link trade to even get into it in this forum (considering this is a Miva Forum) so stick with the one-way, free directory links for now as that will get everyone the most bang, for their time.

                        Furthermore, keep the questions coming as I'll continue to offer free advice here and there as I have time as long as people continue to ask. I normally don't do this, but because the Miva Merchant world has been so kind to me, I'd like to see more small business owners understand the basics of SEO without being misguided. For a lot of the business owners in this forum, your industries are still unsaturated enough from an SEO standpoint that if you just get some good advice, you can reap some huge benefits by just putting in 2-4 hours a day for 3-6 months or so and then continuing on after you get good results to keep them.
                        Ted Hust
                        AarcMediaGroup.com

                        Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
                        Miva Merchant Design

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                          #13
                          Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                          You probably know that there are circumstances where an outlink can boost your own PR. It's a classic feedback effect but Google has some sort of damper on it that they haven't made public. Trial and error have revealed nothing to me on how it works. In theory it should work every time, but that's not observed in practice where most outlinks actually cause harm.

                          What is your observation on the criteria one should use for determining when an outlink will boost your own PR?
                          Steve Strickland
                          972-227-2065

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                            #14
                            Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                            It depends on what you mean by PR. If by PR, you just mean your websites rankings, then a bad outbound link can deffinately have a negative effect on your rankings. If you link to a site that uses black hat techniques, link farms or just sites that are unrelated to your own, those all throw up red flags in the search engines eyes and it could definately hurt your rankings. That's why I would stay away from link trading (especially initially) for most webmasters unless you know what to actually look for in a link trade to make sure its effective and not counterproductive.

                            If you're talking about an outbound link effecting what is called your Google PR (which is a number between 0-10 that google assigns to websites to represent their link popularity and strength) then outbound links do not effect that number at all. So Google's PR numbers are all derived from incoming links and for that rating, they don't care who you link to. That's why google's PR number is not always indicative of how well a site will rank. A website with a PR of 3 can rank better than a website with a PR of 6 in many cases depending on countless factors.
                            Ted Hust
                            AarcMediaGroup.com

                            Celebrating 13 Years of Outstanding Service & Support
                            Miva Merchant Design

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                              #15
                              Re: Search Engine Optimization w/ Miva

                              Interesting stuff

                              Ive just been advised by someone who seems to know what they are doing to use IBP http://www.ibusinesspromoter.com/
                              basically he tells me to run the software every 4 weeks

                              there is also a 180 page manual with alot of info that I havnt got round to yet


                              anyone else got any vies on this ?


                              G
                              Essential Ethical Eco Green Vegetarian Products
                              www.alternativestores.com

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