MM5 Released

MM5 Released



Chuck Lasker - DoublePlus wrote:
> I strongly believe that most MM4 users should not upgrade to MM5 yet. New
> sites that don't need an affiliate program and other sophisticated
> functionality - who only need the basic store with some look and feel
> modifications - should try it out. But unless an MM4 store is pretty basic,
> with few or no third party modules, they probably should just wait a while
> until the third party developers catch up, in my opinion. So I'm not
> promoting MM5 at all right now...
>
> Chuck

I'm not sure I agree that only basic stores should upgrade. A 4.x store
with openui is not a basic store. 5.x gives you every page in the store
as a template which would be equivalent to openui with open designer or
page templates. From there it depends on which 3rd party module
functionality you need/want. Many are no longer needed. Modules which
do many of the functions needed beyond a basic store are available. The
affiliate program works better than the 4.x version but not as good as
the 3rd party version (which is not available). I don't think there is
a gift certificate module ready. Other than that, check with your
favorite developers to see what is available or will be shortly.

Also, note that you do not lose your 4.x store when you upgrade to 5.x.
The 5.x comes up and you have months to test and run it before you bring
your 4.x down. The url to the 5.x is known only to you unless you
publish it for people to look at. Don't allow it to take orders until
you are ready to bring down the 4.x store.

Sign up for the merchant5 list, as there will be more info as people get
interested in the new store capabilities.

--
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Thanks, Bill. I was just informed of that offlist as well.

It's unfortunate though. Miva's missing an easy sales market by implementing
such a tactic.

Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to the MM5 list is
one thing but prohibiting comparison of the two versions to that list is
just silly. Taken a step further, all MM4 discussions should be confined to
this list so it's technically prohibited to compare them at all on either
list.

Other carts just continue to look better and better all the time just to
avoid the control freak mentality of Miva.

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of William Weiland
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released

mivalist wrote:
>
> I'm still waiting for anyone to come forward and actually talk specifics
> about MM5 and to compare features with what's available in MM4 with
various
> modules. What are the real improvements? What do you lose? I asked about
> this yesterday but got no responses.

I think Miva Corp wanted discussions about MM5 confined to the
merchant5-users list.

--
Bill Weiland A2Z Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, PayPal, Froogle/Yahoo feeds
Rate This, Gift/Wish List, Wait List Mgr, EZ Batch, Shipping & more
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Thanks, Andreas (and Bill Guindon for a related post). That helps
considerably.

One of my main issues is speed though due to the large number of products
and categories I have (as Andreas knows). Does anyone know how the MM5
parsing of tokens compares to OUI? It's always been my impression that the
added layer of OUI combined with the code being compiled added to the
slowdown. Does MM5 improve on this?

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Andreas Toman
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:26 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I had a look at the code and would answer your question with YES. They use a
similar language as OpenUI or better MivaScript (MVT - MivaTemplate).

Andreas Toman
PCINET, LLC
Miva Development, Installation & Upgrade
"E-commerce is the next step in the evolution ..."
www.pcinet-llc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:23 PM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I've asked many times about conditionals but that couldn't be answered until
now. Can various screen elements appear or not appear based on the screen
being viewed, logged in/out status, items in cart, etc.? Basically, how much
(if any) OUI functionality is lost in MM5. Everyone kept saying how great it
was going to be as OUI would be obsolete. Is it all true? Does MM5 do
everything OUI did but better and faster? Is it all that and a bag of chips?

I pretty much assume that any MM4 modules that currently exist will either
be made available for MM5 or won't be needed due to new MM features so I
don't expect that to really be an issue before long. The real question is,
what could you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5? Is there anything?

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Chuck Lasker -
DoublePlus
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

There's not much to say beyond what Miva has put out. It's all there. The
admin demo, the screen shots, the explanations. If it's not there, it's not
in MM5. With 2000+ modules available for MM4, and a whopping 50 or so
modules available for MM5, a point by point comparison is just not
practical.

Do you have specific functionality questions?

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:56 AM
> Cc: Miva User List
> Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
>
> I'm still waiting for anyone to come forward and actually
> talk specifics
> about MM5 and to compare features with what's available in
> MM4 with various
> modules. What are the real improvements? What do you lose? I
> asked about
> this yesterday but got no responses.
>
> There was lots of hype about how incredible the new version
> would be before
> it was released and it seems to have been talked up quite a bit at the
> conference last weekend. Now that it's out and no one can
> just say, "Sorry.
> Can't answer that. NDA." It seems that no one who's actually
> used the new
> version wants to talk about it.
>
> I'm sure many partners have simply been busy and I certainly
> understand that
> but it would be nice if at least a few of those who have been
> hyping this
> would take some time to discuss the real facts so the rest of
> us can see
> what the hype's based on.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> visit us at
> www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
> discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Bill Guindon
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
> Cc: Jim Cockerham; Miva User List
> Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released
> Got your visa card handy?
> <A HREF ="http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000">http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000</A>
2_5/ref/mvdc
>
> >
> > > Finally!,
> > > We get to have a look ;)
> > > I see they have a new look for the category pages, is
> this the default
> > > Merchant 5 category layout? I don't see any options. The
> admin seems to
> > > have about the same options as a stock version 4.x store.
> > >
> > > Jim
> >

MM5 Released



mivalist wrote:
> Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to the MM5 list is
> one thing but prohibiting comparison of the two versions to that list is
> just silly. Taken a step further, all MM4 discussions should be confined to
> this list so it's technically prohibited to compare them at all on either
> list.

I don't think there is a prohibition on comparisons between merchant
versions or any other shopping cart system. That's why I expanded my
answer as a comparison. I believe they don't want us to start talking
about features in 5.x here and then people browsing this list getting
confused and think it is in their 4.x version. So if you are asking for
a list of features and how well they work in 5.x, that should be on the
merchant5-users list. If you want a sales promo for 5.x, that is on the
merchant5-users.

--
Bill Weiland A2Z Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc ">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc </A>
Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, PayPal, Froogle/Yahoo feeds
Rate This, Gift/Wish List, Wait List Mgr, EZ Batch, Shipping & more
Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs">http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs</A>
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From: [email protected]=20
>=20
> Thanks, Bill. I was just informed of that offlist as well.
>=20
> It's unfortunate though. Miva's missing an easy sales market=20
> by implementing such a tactic.

Most list members admittedly dislike advertising on this list
so Miva confining the advertising to their website, and their
partners sites, was probably considered.

> Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to=20
> the MM5 list is one thing but prohibiting comparison of the
> two versions to that list is just silly. Taken a step further,
> all MM4 discussions should be confined to this list so it's
> technically prohibited to compare them at all on either
> list.

I don't think anyone said a comparison would be prohibited.
But there are far too many aspects of the products to just
do a line by line comparison, they are really vastly=20
different products even though they look the same on the
surface. The reason for two lists is likely to keep the
traffic down on each list for those who have no interest
in one version or the other since the conversations about
both products will likely be radically different.

> Other carts just continue to look better and better all the=20
> time just to avoid the control freak mentality of Miva.

Many alternatives are free or open source carts where no
control whatsoever is exerted over the software or the
API if it has one. This results in constant headaches
with regard to compatibility, upgrades and support.
For example, if a customer needs help with their oscommerce
cart's authorize.net module, we first have to determine
which of the eight, yes eight, authnet contributions are
in use and if any other patches to the same areas of code
were made before we can even begin to diagnose the problem.

It's not that either option is better, they're different.
In the case of small businesses where stability is often
the most important factor, Miva exercising some control
over their product is not always a bad thing.

David

MM5 Released




>>
>> Leslie <---who is ready for a copy to play with!!!!!!
>
> Got your visa card handy?
> <A HREF ="http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC0002_5/ref/mvdc">http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC0002_5/ref/mvdc</A>


Ummmm, Miva "owes" me a free upgrade - so my plastic is safe.

Leslie

MM5 Released



Dan:

The page templates are pre-compiled, so when you browse
the pages the layout information is coming from the template file
and not from the databases. This saves processing time of
going to do the databases for the look and feel.
The module 'hooks' go right into these templates as well.

You also have the option to use MySQL databases, which will give
you faster performance then the regular DBFs, particularly in searches.

Jen
Hostasaurus.Com
Miva Premier Hosting Partner
813.971.8772
[email protected]


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:45 PM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released


Thanks, Andreas (and Bill Guindon for a related post). That helps
considerably.

One of my main issues is speed though due to the large number of
products
and categories I have (as Andreas knows). Does anyone know how the MM5
parsing of tokens compares to OUI? It's always been my impression that
the
added layer of OUI combined with the code being compiled added to the
slowdown. Does MM5 improve on this?

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us
at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Andreas Toman
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:26 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I had a look at the code and would answer your question with YES. They
use a
similar language as OpenUI or better MivaScript (MVT - MivaTemplate).

Andreas Toman
PCINET, LLC
Miva Development, Installation & Upgrade
"E-commerce is the next step in the evolution ..."
www.pcinet-llc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:23 PM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I've asked many times about conditionals but that couldn't be answered
until
now. Can various screen elements appear or not appear based on the
screen
being viewed, logged in/out status, items in cart, etc.? Basically, how
much
(if any) OUI functionality is lost in MM5. Everyone kept saying how
great it
was going to be as OUI would be obsolete. Is it all true? Does MM5 do
everything OUI did but better and faster? Is it all that and a bag of
chips?

I pretty much assume that any MM4 modules that currently exist will
either
be made available for MM5 or won't be needed due to new MM features so I
don't expect that to really be an issue before long. The real question
is,
what could you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5? Is there
anything?

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us
at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Chuck Lasker
-
DoublePlus
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

There's not much to say beyond what Miva has put out. It's all there.
The
admin demo, the screen shots, the explanations. If it's not there, it's
not
in MM5. With 2000+ modules available for MM4, and a whopping 50 or so
modules available for MM5, a point by point comparison is just not
practical.

Do you have specific functionality questions?

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:56 AM
> Cc: Miva User List
> Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
>
> I'm still waiting for anyone to come forward and actually
> talk specifics
> about MM5 and to compare features with what's available in
> MM4 with various
> modules. What are the real improvements? What do you lose? I
> asked about
> this yesterday but got no responses.
>
> There was lots of hype about how incredible the new version
> would be before
> it was released and it seems to have been talked up quite a bit at the
> conference last weekend. Now that it's out and no one can
> just say, "Sorry.
> Can't answer that. NDA." It seems that no one who's actually
> used the new
> version wants to talk about it.
>
> I'm sure many partners have simply been busy and I certainly
> understand that
> but it would be nice if at least a few of those who have been
> hyping this
> would take some time to discuss the real facts so the rest of
> us can see
> what the hype's based on.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> visit us at
> www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
> discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Bill Guindon
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
> Cc: Jim Cockerham; Miva User List
> Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released
> Got your visa card handy?
> <A HREF ="http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000">http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000</A>
2_5/ref/mvdc
>
> >
> > > Finally!,
> > > We get to have a look ;)
> > > I see they have a new look for the category pages, is
> this the default
> > > Merchant 5 category layout? I don't see any options. The
> admin seems to
> > > have about the same options as a stock version 4.x store.
> > >
> > > Jim
> >

MM5 Released



I haven't asked for either of those. I asked about differences between the
two systems. My main concern has been about what you might lose by upgrading
(aside from 3rd party modules that just aren't ready yet). I asked what can
you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5?

Some answers to that have started to come through now and I appreciate that.

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of William Weiland
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released

mivalist wrote:
> Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to the MM5 list
is
> one thing but prohibiting comparison of the two versions to that list is
> just silly. Taken a step further, all MM4 discussions should be confined
to
> this list so it's technically prohibited to compare them at all on either
> list.

I don't think there is a prohibition on comparisons between merchant
versions or any other shopping cart system. That's why I expanded my
answer as a comparison. I believe they don't want us to start talking
about features in 5.x here and then people browsing this list getting
confused and think it is in their 4.x version. So if you are asking for
a list of features and how well they work in 5.x, that should be on the
merchant5-users list. If you want a sales promo for 5.x, that is on the
merchant5-users.

--
Bill Weiland A2Z Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, PayPal, Froogle/Yahoo feeds
Rate This, Gift/Wish List, Wait List Mgr, EZ Batch, Shipping & more
Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs">http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs</A>
Question <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/mivamodule_wcw.mvc?Screen=SPTS">http://www.emporiumplus.com/mivamodule_wcw.mvc?Screen=SPTS</A>
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I think we are in the same position we were in when we went from 4.13 to
4.14 Compiled.

It's going to take everyone (users, developers, site builders, hosts,
etc...) 4-6 months to get up to full speed.

Once we have all the known variables we all can better asses the needs of
our Merchant set-ups.

I think 4-6 months is realistic unless the major module developers have new
modules already in the works.


--Jon



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I haven't asked for either of those. I asked about differences between the
two systems. My main concern has been about what you might lose by upgrading
(aside from 3rd party modules that just aren't ready yet). I asked what can
you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5?

Some answers to that have started to come through now and I appreciate that.

Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of William Weiland
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released

mivalist wrote:
> Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to the MM5
> list
is
> one thing but prohibiting comparison of the two versions to that list
> is just silly. Taken a step further, all MM4 discussions should be
> confined
to
> this list so it's technically prohibited to compare them at all on
> either list.

I don't think there is a prohibition on comparisons between merchant
versions or any other shopping cart system. That's why I expanded my answer
as a comparison. I believe they don't want us to start talking about
features in 5.x here and then people browsing this list getting confused and
think it is in their 4.x version. So if you are asking for a list of
features and how well they work in 5.x, that should be on the
merchant5-users list. If you want a sales promo for 5.x, that is on the
merchant5-users.

--
Bill Weiland A2Z Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, PayPal, Froogle/Yahoo feeds Rate
This, Gift/Wish List, Wait List Mgr, EZ Batch, Shipping & more Online
Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs Question">http://www.emporiumplus.com/docs Question</A>
<A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/mivamodule_wcw.mvc?Screen=SPTS">http://www.emporiumplus.com/mivamodule_wcw.mvc?Screen=SPTS</A>
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As long as comparisons aren't prohibited here I'm fine with that. My
impression from Bill's post though was that Miva was prohibiting talk of MM5
in any form on this list. Since people are now comparing some of those
features, either Bill or I misunderstood each other, or people aren't too
concerned about Miva's list policy on this matter. I suspect the former is
the case.

Anyway, I'm glad to see there's now some discussion so I and others can make
plans for the future without monitoring yet another list.

Thanks,
Dan
Impulse Creations

For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service visit us at
www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of David Hubbard
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

From: [email protected]
>
> Thanks, Bill. I was just informed of that offlist as well.
>
> It's unfortunate though. Miva's missing an easy sales market
> by implementing such a tactic.

Most list members admittedly dislike advertising on this list
so Miva confining the advertising to their website, and their
partners sites, was probably considered.

> Confining discussions of MM5 usage, troubleshooting, etc. to
> the MM5 list is one thing but prohibiting comparison of the
> two versions to that list is just silly. Taken a step further,
> all MM4 discussions should be confined to this list so it's
> technically prohibited to compare them at all on either
> list.

I don't think anyone said a comparison would be prohibited.
But there are far too many aspects of the products to just
do a line by line comparison, they are really vastly
different products even though they look the same on the
surface. The reason for two lists is likely to keep the
traffic down on each list for those who have no interest
in one version or the other since the conversations about
both products will likely be radically different.

> Other carts just continue to look better and better all the
> time just to avoid the control freak mentality of Miva.

Many alternatives are free or open source carts where no
control whatsoever is exerted over the software or the
API if it has one. This results in constant headaches
with regard to compatibility, upgrades and support.
For example, if a customer needs help with their oscommerce
cart's authorize.net module, we first have to determine
which of the eight, yes eight, authnet contributions are
in use and if any other patches to the same areas of code
were made before we can even begin to diagnose the problem.

It's not that either option is better, they're different.
In the case of small businesses where stability is often
the most important factor, Miva exercising some control
over their product is not always a bad thing.

David

MM5 Released



mivalist wrote:
>
> I haven't asked for either of those. I asked about differences between the
> two systems. My main concern has been about what you might lose by upgrading
> (aside from 3rd party modules that just aren't ready yet). I asked what can
> you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5?

If you already have openui, open designer or page templates, and openxb
there is no reason to upgrade. That would give you almost all of the
functionality of 5.x. Granted, it would be a bit slower in 4.x, but no
more than the difference between a 4.x MMUI vs 4.x OpenUI store.

You may lose some of the conditionals. On the merchant5-users list, you
could ask if anybody has a solution for a particular conditional. But
the product is so new that you might not get an answer. Each page
generates a ton of variables (the trick is to know what they are) which
could be evaluated for conditional.

--
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MM5 Released



That's good to hear. Thanks, Jen!

I knew about the MySQL option and that's something I'll almost certainly use
whether I end up sticking with MM4 and using the Copernicus option, upgrade
to MM5, or switch to another cart altogether.

It's definitely sounding like an upgrade once 3rd party module availability
isn't an issue may be the way to go though.

Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jen Ferraz
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:53 AM
To: Miva User List
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

Dan:

The page templates are pre-compiled, so when you browse
the pages the layout information is coming from the template file
and not from the databases. This saves processing time of
going to do the databases for the look and feel.
The module 'hooks' go right into these templates as well.

You also have the option to use MySQL databases, which will give
you faster performance then the regular DBFs, particularly in searches.

Jen
Hostasaurus.Com
Miva Premier Hosting Partner
813.971.8772
[email protected]


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:45 PM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released


Thanks, Andreas (and Bill Guindon for a related post). That helps
considerably.

One of my main issues is speed though due to the large number of
products
and categories I have (as Andreas knows). Does anyone know how the MM5
parsing of tokens compares to OUI? It's always been my impression that
the
added layer of OUI combined with the code being compiled added to the
slowdown. Does MM5 improve on this?

Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Andreas Toman
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:26 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I had a look at the code and would answer your question with YES. They
use a
similar language as OpenUI or better MivaScript (MVT - MivaTemplate).

Andreas Toman
PCINET, LLC
Miva Development, Installation & Upgrade
"E-commerce is the next step in the evolution ..."
www.pcinet-llc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:23 PM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

I've asked many times about conditionals but that couldn't be answered
until
now. Can various screen elements appear or not appear based on the
screen
being viewed, logged in/out status, items in cart, etc.? Basically, how
much
(if any) OUI functionality is lost in MM5. Everyone kept saying how
great it
was going to be as OUI would be obsolete. Is it all true? Does MM5 do
everything OUI did but better and faster? Is it all that and a bag of
chips?

I pretty much assume that any MM4 modules that currently exist will
either
be made available for MM5 or won't be needed due to new MM features so I
don't expect that to really be an issue before long. The real question
is,
what could you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5? Is there
anything?

Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Chuck Lasker
-
DoublePlus
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

There's not much to say beyond what Miva has put out. It's all there.
The
admin demo, the screen shots, the explanations. If it's not there, it's
not
in MM5. With 2000+ modules available for MM4, and a whopping 50 or so
modules available for MM5, a point by point comparison is just not
practical.

Do you have specific functionality questions?

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:56 AM
> Cc: Miva User List
> Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
>
> I'm still waiting for anyone to come forward and actually
> talk specifics
> about MM5 and to compare features with what's available in
> MM4 with various
> modules. What are the real improvements? What do you lose? I
> asked about
> this yesterday but got no responses.
>
> There was lots of hype about how incredible the new version
> would be before
> it was released and it seems to have been talked up quite a bit at the
> conference last weekend. Now that it's out and no one can
> just say, "Sorry.
> Can't answer that. NDA." It seems that no one who's actually
> used the new
> version wants to talk about it.
>
> I'm sure many partners have simply been busy and I certainly
> understand that
> but it would be nice if at least a few of those who have been
> hyping this
> would take some time to discuss the real facts so the rest of
> us can see
> what the hype's based on.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> visit us at
> www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
> discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Bill Guindon
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
> Cc: Jim Cockerham; Miva User List
> Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released
> Got your visa card handy?
> <A HREF ="http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000">http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000</A>
2_5/ref/mvdc
>
> >
> > > Finally!,
> > > We get to have a look ;)
> > > I see they have a new look for the category pages, is
> this the default
> > > Merchant 5 category layout? I don't see any options. The
> admin seems to
> > > have about the same options as a stock version 4.x store.
> > >
> > > Jim
> >

MM5 Released



That's pretty much the impression I'm starting to get now.

Speed is definitely a serious issue for me though so having the fastest
solution carries more weight with me than some other factors. What
conditionals (if any) I lose may be a problem but I'll look into that in
more detail as time goes on.

Thanks,
Dan
Impulse Creations

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of William Weiland
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released

mivalist wrote:
>
> I haven't asked for either of those. I asked about differences between the
> two systems. My main concern has been about what you might lose by
upgrading
> (aside from 3rd party modules that just aren't ready yet). I asked what
can
> you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5?

If you already have openui, open designer or page templates, and openxb
there is no reason to upgrade. That would give you almost all of the
functionality of 5.x. Granted, it would be a bit slower in 4.x, but no
more than the difference between a 4.x MMUI vs 4.x OpenUI store.

You may lose some of the conditionals. On the merchant5-users list, you
could ask if anybody has a solution for a particular conditional. But
the product is so new that you might not get an answer. Each page
generates a ton of variables (the trick is to know what they are) which
could be evaluated for conditional.

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MM5 Released




----- Original Message -----
From: "William Weiland" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released


> mivalist wrote:
> >
> > I haven't asked for either of those. I asked about differences between
the
> > two systems. My main concern has been about what you might lose by
upgrading
> > (aside from 3rd party modules that just aren't ready yet). I asked what
can
> > you do with MM4 that you can't do with MM5?
>
> If you already have openui, open designer or page templates, and openxb
> there is no reason to upgrade. That would give you almost all of the
> functionality of 5.x. Granted, it would be a bit slower in 4.x, but no
> more than the difference between a 4.x MMUI vs 4.x OpenUI store.
>
> You may lose some of the conditionals. On the merchant5-users list, you
> could ask if anybody has a solution for a particular conditional. But
> the product is so new that you might not get an answer. Each page
> generates a ton of variables (the trick is to know what they are) which
> could be evaluated for conditional.

I just got an message from DesignExtend that Pamela's MM5 Bible is ready to
ship for $32.47
Mario

MM5 Released



I understand that but that doesn't prevent a discussion comparing the two
versions on either list. Fortunately, others have seen the wisdom of such a
discussion and have been willing to engage in it. You're still free to
abstain of course.

Dan
Impulse Creations

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:19 PM
To: 'mivalist'
Cc: 'Miva User List'
Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released

There is a reason there are two lists....
MM4.x will be around for a long time, and its support and sales needs to
remain here.
The MM5 list is the place to get info. Help, etc...

Bill


=============================
Bill Gilligan
Gilligan On-Line
www.gilliganonline.com
850-233-8775

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:07 AM
> Cc: 'Miva User List'
> Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
>
> I will when and if I decide to upgrade. Until then, those who
> plan to make
> money from MM5 would benefit by taking some time to help sell
> it to existing
> MM4 users on this list.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> visit us at
> www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
> discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:02 AM
> To: 'mivalist'
> Cc: 'Miva User List'
> Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
>
> Join the MM5 list...
>
> =============================
> Bill Gilligan
> Gilligan On-Line
> www.gilliganonline.com
> 850-233-8775
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:56 AM
> > Cc: Miva User List
> > Subject: RE: [mru] MM5 Released
> >
> > I'm still waiting for anyone to come forward and actually
> > talk specifics
> > about MM5 and to compare features with what's available in
> > MM4 with various
> > modules. What are the real improvements? What do you lose? I
> > asked about
> > this yesterday but got no responses.
> >
> > There was lots of hype about how incredible the new version
> > would be before
> > it was released and it seems to have been talked up quite a
> bit at the
> > conference last weekend. Now that it's out and no one can
> > just say, "Sorry.
> > Can't answer that. NDA." It seems that no one who's actually
> > used the new
> > version wants to talk about it.
> >
> > I'm sure many partners have simply been busy and I certainly
> > understand that
> > but it would be nice if at least a few of those who have been
> > hyping this
> > would take some time to discuss the real facts so the rest of
> > us can see
> > what the hype's based on.
> >
> > Dan
> > Impulse Creations
> >
> > For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> > visit us at
> > www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for information on our
> > discounted subscription service with free bags and free shipping!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Bill Guindon
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:40 AM
> > To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
> > Cc: Jim Cockerham; Miva User List
> > Subject: Re: [mru] MM5 Released
> > Got your visa card handy?
> > <A HREF ="http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000">http://www.mivacentral.com/page/m/PROD/MIVA+MM+-x/MIVA-MERC000</A>
> > 2_5/ref/mvdc
> >
> > >
> > > > Finally!,
> > > > We get to have a look ;)
> > > > I see they have a new look for the category pages, is
> > this the default
> > > > Merchant 5 category layout? I don't see any options. The
> > admin seems to
> > > > have about the same options as a stock version 4.x store.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > >