Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF

Well friends, it is time I get a "real" HTML editor instead of Front Page Express.

One of my gripes was that FP Express does not allow me put in the HTML that I want if it thinks this is "incorrect." I understand
that HotMetal has an "HTML validation off" feature---but one reviewer said this is useless because it also turns off the WYSIWYG.
So, he says, if you want no WYSIWYG, you might as well use NotePad. This is a serious problem if you have "referral links" that
contain referral codes that the "validation" considers "incorrect"---so your whole referral credits etc. will be destroyed---and
this is exactly what happens according to that reviewer.

Can anyone recommend an HTML editor that allows WYSIWYG + "HTML validation off" at the same time? I mean, sheesh, I should be able
to write what code I want and "validate" the results for myself via WYSIWYG!

On the positive side for Hotmetal: you can "simultaneously view" the HTML + WYSIWYG. And of course, you CAN at least "turn off
validation" at the end of your editing if from then on you sacrifice the WYSIWYG. (Though which I would rather not sacrifice, if
possible, thank you.)

I am not clear about Front Page 2002, Dreamweaver etc.---but Hotmetal Pro is definately superior to Front Page Express in which (a)
to directly edit HTML, you must choose "HTML view"---which re-starts from the top of the document, and it does not even have a
scroll bar or even search feature to get you back to wherever you want to edit, so you have to use the "down arrow" key and
hunt-and-peck it out (b) no "turn off HTML validation" whatsoever---an absolute dictatorship.

Anyway, PLEASE TELL ME ANYONE IF YOU USE A WYSIWYG EDITOR THAT CAN "TURN OFF VALIDATION" OR EQUIVALENT WHILE NOT ALSO TURNING OFF
THE WYSIWYG.

Also feel free to respond with "my favorite HTML editor" on any basis.

Basic reason I am upgrading: Front Page Express "workable" but refuses to work on large pages.

Basic reasons I am considering Hotmetal: (a) recommended by my ecommerce host http://olm.net , (b) recommended to me by some kind
person in this Miva User group as having Miva Script feature (I am not up to that level right now and hope never to bother with Miva
Script but next year who knows), (c) half the price of Front Page 2002 & Dreamweaver

Page I am trying to edit that is simple but just got "too darn big" for FP Express, so that it crashes now every time:
http://healthscholar.com

Thank you, thank you, thank you,
"christophe"

Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF



"christophe",

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with all the choices of editors that you
have mentioned. But, I am familiar with and use FrontPage 2000. I
haven't checked out 2001 yet.

I saved your page (referenced in message), to my hard drive. Opened it in
FP, and everything worked fine. I think you would be happy with the full
version of FP, especially since you are familiar with express already.
There are some issues that you must deal with when working on pages, with
respect to link references. But, if your host provider has installed FP
extensions, you can edit your pages directly on your site.

I would make one BIG recommendation to you though; break this "Home" page
into multiple pages, instead of using the bookmarks. The page will load
way faster, and people on a tele-modem will thank you. (not a negative
criticism, just a constructive one)

Randall S. Seiler
R. Seiler Consulting
<A HREF ="http://www.rseiler.com">http://www.rseiler.com</A>
1-215-675-6139

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of AllVitality
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [mru] Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF


Well friends, it is time I get a "real" HTML editor instead of Front Page
Express.

One of my gripes was that FP Express does not allow me put in the HTML that
I want if it thinks this is "incorrect." I understand
that HotMetal has an "HTML validation off" feature---but one reviewer said
this is useless because it also turns off the WYSIWYG.
So, he says, if you want no WYSIWYG, you might as well use NotePad. This is
a serious problem if you have "referral links" that
contain referral codes that the "validation" considers "incorrect"---so your
whole referral credits etc. will be destroyed---and
this is exactly what happens according to that reviewer.

Can anyone recommend an HTML editor that allows WYSIWYG + "HTML validation
off" at the same time? I mean, sheesh, I should be able
to write what code I want and "validate" the results for myself via WYSIWYG!

On the positive side for Hotmetal: you can "simultaneously view" the HTML +
WYSIWYG. And of course, you CAN at least "turn off
validation" at the end of your editing if from then on you sacrifice the
WYSIWYG. (Though which I would rather not sacrifice, if
possible, thank you.)

I am not clear about Front Page 2002, Dreamweaver etc.---but Hotmetal Pro is
definately superior to Front Page Express in which (a)
to directly edit HTML, you must choose "HTML view"---which re-starts from
the top of the document, and it does not even have a
scroll bar or even search feature to get you back to wherever you want to
edit, so you have to use the "down arrow" key and
hunt-and-peck it out (b) no "turn off HTML validation" whatsoever---an
absolute dictatorship.

Anyway, PLEASE TELL ME ANYONE IF YOU USE A WYSIWYG EDITOR THAT CAN "TURN OFF
VALIDATION" OR EQUIVALENT WHILE NOT ALSO TURNING OFF
THE WYSIWYG.

Also feel free to respond with "my favorite HTML editor" on any basis.

Basic reason I am upgrading: Front Page Express "workable" but refuses to
work on large pages.

Basic reasons I am considering Hotmetal: (a) recommended by my ecommerce
host http://olm.net , (b) recommended to me by some kind
person in this Miva User group as having Miva Script feature (I am not up to
that level right now and hope never to bother with Miva
Script but next year who knows), (c) half the price of Front Page 2002 &
Dreamweaver

Page I am trying to edit that is simple but just got "too darn big" for FP
Express, so that it crashes now every time:
http://healthscholar.com

Thank you, thank you, thank you,
"christophe"

Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF






----- Original Message ----- :
From: "AllVitality" <[email protected]>

> Can anyone recommend an HTML editor that allows WYSIWYG + "HTML
validation off" at the same time?

DreamWeaver...however

>I mean, sheesh, I should be able
> to write what code I want and "validate" the results for myself via
WYSIWYG!

Nope. You can only validate what the "visual editor" is showing
you...not what everyone else will see on the page...which actually is
what WYSIWYG stands for..

Now for an aside:

This WYSIWYG crap really peeves me....it was taken from the Desktop
Publishing World, and as typical with Marketing Geeks,
miss-appropriated to HTML publishing. What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get
applies to the concept that what appears on your screen, will be a
very close facsimile of what comes out of the printer. Problem is, it
never was completely accurate, but it was close enough to make
allowances for the differences. Desktop publishers still have to make
"press checks" even in today's world. Unfortunately, a lot of users of
WYSIWYG HTML editors have long since given up this important task.

You cannot have a HTML editor that will show you what your customers
will see, unless your editor can magically change your computer 1.2Ghz
Athelon computer system into a 512K Mac, Erickson Digital phone or
bargain basement PC connected through AOL.

Now I'll go back to bed and see if I can wake up on the other side<g>.

Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF



I agree. I use frontpage 2000 and Randall is right. You will find the
full version of frontpage much more to your liking.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall S. Seiler [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:29 AM
To: AllVitality; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [mru] Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF


"christophe",

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with all the choices of editors that
you
have mentioned. But, I am familiar with and use FrontPage 2000. I
haven't checked out 2001 yet.

I saved your page (referenced in message), to my hard drive. Opened =
it
in
FP, and everything worked fine. I think you would be happy with the
full
version of FP, especially since you are familiar with express already.
There are some issues that you must deal with when working on pages,
with
respect to link references. But, if your host provider has installed
FP
extensions, you can edit your pages directly on your site.

I would make one BIG recommendation to you though; break this "Home"
page
into multiple pages, instead of using the bookmarks. The page will
load
way faster, and people on a tele-modem will thank you. (not a negative
criticism, just a constructive one)

Randall S. Seiler
R. Seiler Consulting
<A HREF ="http://www.rseiler.com">http://www.rseiler.com</A>
1-215-675-6139

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of AllVitality
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [mru] Best WYSIWYG editor w/validation OFF


Well friends, it is time I get a "real" HTML editor instead of Front
Page
Express.

One of my gripes was that FP Express does not allow me put in the HTML
that
I want if it thinks this is "incorrect." I understand
that HotMetal has an "HTML validation off" feature---but one reviewer
said
this is useless because it also turns off the WYSIWYG.
So, he says, if you want no WYSIWYG, you might as well use NotePad. =
This
is
a serious problem if you have "referral links" that
contain referral codes that the "validation" considers "incorrect"---so
your
whole referral credits etc. will be destroyed---and
this is exactly what happens according to that reviewer.

Can anyone recommend an HTML editor that allows WYSIWYG + "HTML
validation
off" at the same time? I mean, sheesh, I should be able
to write what code I want and "validate" the results for myself via
WYSIWYG!

On the positive side for Hotmetal: you can "simultaneously view" the
HTML +
WYSIWYG. And of course, you CAN at least "turn off
validation" at the end of your editing if from then on you sacrifice =
the
WYSIWYG. (Though which I would rather not sacrifice, if
possible, thank you.)

I am not clear about Front Page 2002, Dreamweaver etc.---but Hotmetal
Pro is
definately superior to Front Page Express in which (a)
to directly edit HTML, you must choose "HTML view"---which re-starts
from
the top of the document, and it does not even have a
scroll bar or even search feature to get you back to wherever you want
to
edit, so you have to use the "down arrow" key and
hunt-and-peck it out (b) no "turn off HTML validation" whatsoever---an
absolute dictatorship.

Anyway, PLEASE TELL ME ANYONE IF YOU USE A WYSIWYG EDITOR THAT CAN =
"TURN
OFF
VALIDATION" OR EQUIVALENT WHILE NOT ALSO TURNING OFF
THE WYSIWYG.

Also feel free to respond with "my favorite HTML editor" on any basis.

Basic reason I am upgrading: Front Page Express "workable" but refuses
to
work on large pages.

Basic reasons I am considering Hotmetal: (a) recommended by my =
ecommerce
host http://olm.net , (b) recommended to me by some kind
person in this Miva User group as having Miva Script feature (I am not
up to
that level right now and hope never to bother with Miva
Script but next year who knows), (c) half the price of Front Page 2002 =
&
Dreamweaver

Page I am trying to edit that is simple but just got "too darn big" for
FP
Express, so that it crashes now every time:
http://healthscholar.com

Thank you, thank you, thank you,
"christophe"