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  • Bruce - PhosphorMedia
    Developer Partner











    • Mar 2006
    • 11257

    #1

    Please Stop

    [ EDIT: For newcomers to Miva and or this forum. The only reason i bitch about things here (aside from me just being grumpy) is because, unlike every other tech service i use, Rick and the Miva team actually listen and respond. ]

    Please stop popping up "Do you know...." messages. Saw a new 'format' one today. I get it, you want people to know about new features...and more importantly perhaps, everyone else is doing this.

    Its...ok, a little frank talk here...stupid. I get it, you are just doing what every other GD POS software is doing. Its still stupid. I'm trying to get something done. I don't have time to get side tracked and wander down the path of learning stuff about the software.

    How about instead, invest that time in making better docs.

    ...oh, and "get off my lawn!"

    -Bruce
    Last edited by Bruce - PhosphorMedia; 05-02-24, 01:42 PM.
    Bruce Golub
    Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

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  • Rick Wilson
    Uber Mivite











    • Aug 2007
    • 10122

    #2
    Have you seen the new docs.miva.com? Also no one reads docs, that's why we have to use pop ups. All that said though, it's a fine balance, so they won't stop, but they shouldn't be overly annoying either.
    Thanks,

    Rick Wilson
    CEO
    Miva, Inc.
    [email protected]
    https://www.miva.com

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    • lesliekirk
      Super Moderator











      • Aug 2008
      • 9303

      #3
      Originally posted by Rick Wilson View Post
      Have you seen the new docs.miva.com? Also no one reads docs, that's why we have to use pop ups. All that said though, it's a fine balance, so they won't stop, but they shouldn't be overly annoying either.
      Saw my first popup today. Kind of liked it. Took me a minute to figure out where it came from. Is there a user way to "control" how often they are seen? Just wondering. I sure hate to have to smack the stew out of Bruce. Guess he's become a crotchety old man...
      Leslie Kirk
      Miva Certified Developer
      Miva Merchant Specialist since 1997
      Previously of Webs Your Way
      (aka Leslie Nord leslienord)

      Email me: [email protected]
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      • Keifer Hunniford
        Keifer


        • Feb 2006
        • 108

        #4
        There's a lot of logic behind these. They know who is logged in and will typically be configured to only show once per user.
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        Keifer Hunniford | MIVA

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        • jsdva
          Mega Mivite





          • Apr 2006
          • 1166

          #5
          Ah come on. Not so hard on Bruce. The get off my lawn quip gave me laughs, chuckles and grins!
          Jamie Donaldson
          JSDVS Web Design / Development
          Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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          • jsdva
            Mega Mivite





            • Apr 2006
            • 1166

            #6
            But, my 2 cents is that sometimes I like to look ahead at things I need to know, before I need to know them, so I need the docs online. When I am working on something I don't want to have to stop to learn it because a popup told me to learn it while I am in the process of implementing it. I want to learn it prior and then implement it. So popups aren't my thing either. I much prefer the docs.miva.com. But, no worries, I know how to totally ignore popups. As with Bruce, they annoy me and I don't want distractions when I am working, so being able to control them like Leslie said would be a nice perk.
            Jamie Donaldson
            JSDVS Web Design / Development
            Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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            • jsdva
              Mega Mivite





              • Apr 2006
              • 1166

              #7
              Originally posted by Keifer Hunniford View Post
              There's a lot of logic behind these. They know who is logged in and will typically be configured to only show once per user.
              Do tell? How can we do that.
              Jamie Donaldson
              JSDVS Web Design / Development
              Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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              • Rick Wilson
                Uber Mivite











                • Aug 2007
                • 10122

                #8
                They're driven by a product we license called Pendo.
                Thanks,

                Rick Wilson
                CEO
                Miva, Inc.
                [email protected]
                https://www.miva.com

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                • jsdva
                  Mega Mivite





                  • Apr 2006
                  • 1166

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rick Wilson View Post
                  They're driven by a product we license called Pendo.
                  So, we can't turn them off or on or control them otherwise, correct?
                  Jamie Donaldson
                  JSDVS Web Design / Development
                  Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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                  • Rick Wilson
                    Uber Mivite











                    • Aug 2007
                    • 10122

                    #10
                    Correct, they're entirely controlled via our Pendo Admin which is tied to Salesforce and people's license keys, etc...
                    Thanks,

                    Rick Wilson
                    CEO
                    Miva, Inc.
                    [email protected]
                    https://www.miva.com

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                    • Rick Wilson
                      Uber Mivite











                      • Aug 2007
                      • 10122

                      #11
                      For example there was one this week about My.miva contact updates, if we see someone who's not tied to a my.miva account and therefore might get stuck when trying to open a ticket (which is a common cause of a low customer sat score) then we might prompt them to update that info (and hopefully eliminate a future pain point.
                      Thanks,

                      Rick Wilson
                      CEO
                      Miva, Inc.
                      [email protected]
                      https://www.miva.com

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                      • jsdva
                        Mega Mivite





                        • Apr 2006
                        • 1166

                        #12
                        Got the one to update the my.miva account. I was in a client's site. I need a simple explanation for them to add me to their my.miva account. The most low tech way would be very helpful.
                        Jamie Donaldson
                        JSDVS Web Design / Development
                        Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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                        • Bruce - PhosphorMedia
                          Developer Partner











                          • Mar 2006
                          • 11257

                          #13
                          here's the problem...besides me being a grumpy old man. 90% of the time (99.9% for me) folks are trying to get things done. they don't have time to read something about a new feature. meanwhile, yes...i don't learn about new features.

                          perhaps also try sending a nice email with "Cool Stuff You May Not Know". (and maybe one for Store owners and one for Developer types). I'm much more likely to at least add this to my reading list than interrupt my workflow.

                          would be great if you could track usage.

                          Bruce Golub
                          Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

                          Improve Your Customer Service | Get MORE Customers | Edit CSS/Javascript/HTML Easily | Make Your Site Faster | Get Indexed by Google | Free Modules | Follow Us on Facebook
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                          • Bruce - PhosphorMedia
                            Developer Partner











                            • Mar 2006
                            • 11257

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jsdva View Post

                            Do tell? How can we do that.
                            well, apparently they added a "do not ignore the grumpy old man" filter as I haven't seen one since i posted this :)
                            Bruce Golub
                            Phosphor Media - "Your Success is our Business"

                            Improve Your Customer Service | Get MORE Customers | Edit CSS/Javascript/HTML Easily | Make Your Site Faster | Get Indexed by Google | Free Modules | Follow Us on Facebook
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                            • jsdva
                              Mega Mivite





                              • Apr 2006
                              • 1166

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bruce - PhosphorMedia View Post
                              here's the problem...besides me being a grumpy old man. 90% of the time (99.9% for me) folks are trying to get things done. they don't have time to read something about a new feature.
                              My sentiments exactly.

                              Originally posted by Bruce - PhosphorMedia View Post
                              perhaps also try sending a nice email with "Cool Stuff You May Not Know". (and maybe one for Store owners and one for Developer types). I'm much more likely to at least add this to my reading list than interrupt my workflow.
                              This would also totally work for me. I'll get to it when I can, just can't at the moment of popup.

                              Then, close the popup, and lose it. Email is as long as I want.

                              Jamie Donaldson
                              JSDVS Web Design / Development
                              Web Design | Web Development | E-commerce Design & Integration

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