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OT: Do you Froogle?



Sounds like you do pay. From what I read you must be a AdWords customer to
sign up and I have not found them very helpful after hundreds of dollars of
advertising. The referral rate simply sucked! (Sorry for the word ;) Maybe
all our sites just do not attract as many customers. Who knows....

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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Weiland" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?


> Marc A. Mercier wrote:
> > I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice
of
> > search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use
Google
> > all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
> > sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info,
I
> > received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
> >
> > Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as
we can.
>
> I got the same response as you. I have the export module written but
> need to know the order they want the fields in. Otherwise, the module
> is ready to go.
>
> --
> Bill Weiland - Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
> Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, Rate This, Wait List Mgr,
> PayPal, Gift/Wish List, Attribute Import, Shipping & dozens more
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> |
>
>

OT: Do you Froogle?



Marc A. Mercier wrote:
> I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice of
> search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
> all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
> sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
> received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
>
> Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we can.

I got the same response as you. I have the export module written but
need to know the order they want the fields in. Otherwise, the module
is ready to go.

--
Bill Weiland - Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc ">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc </A>
Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, Rate This, Wait List Mgr,
PayPal, Gift/Wish List, Attribute Import, Shipping & dozens more
Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm">http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm</A>
Product Question <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS ">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS </A>
|

OT: Do you Froogle?



I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice of
search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:

Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we can.

The Google Team

No word yet...

Marc

At 06:34 PM 12/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Curious if most people's store's show up in Froogle at:
>http://froogle.google.com/ <http://froogle.google.com/>
>Most of our client's sites are showing up, but a few are not. Even our
>module directory shows up. But one site I know of with over 1000 pages
>in Google is not showing up. ???? I emailed them about information on
>giving froogle a feed but haven't heard back yet. It is probably a safe
>bet that you will definitely want to be in froogle. Working on Google
>and Miva Merchant Part 2 article right now. Hopefully more information
>will become available before we send this month's issue out.

OT: Do you Froogle?



For those interested in getting listed, the url is:
http://froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#feed

Jason

> I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice
of
> search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
> all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
> sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
> received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
>
> Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we
can.
>
> The Google Team
>
> No word yet...
>
> Marc
>
> At 06:34 PM 12/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >Curious if most people's store's show up in Froogle at:
> >http://froogle.google.com/ <http://froogle.google.com/>
> >Most of our client's sites are showing up, but a few are not. Even our
> >module directory shows up. But one site I know of with over 1000 pages
> >in Google is not showing up. ???? I emailed them about information on
> >giving froogle a feed but haven't heard back yet. It is probably a safe
> >bet that you will definitely want to be in froogle. Working on Google
> >and Miva Merchant Part 2 article right now. Hopefully more information
> >will become available before we send this month's issue out.
>
>

Shipping Configuration



I think your shipping policy will be hard for shoppers to understand, but it
can be done. People with $75 will have to select the free option but no one
else will be able to.

Enable Price table shipping;

Make the charge for totals below $75 be "on the expensive side" depending on
your product's price. Just set it up where is will be a choice no on wants.
Call it something boring like "regular shipping"
Make a second option in it for total $75 or more. Make it charge sero and
label it as "FREE shipping for order total $75 or more".

Then (after you enable the price table shipping, so that the weight table
shipping is rendered first on checkout)

make all items weigh 1 (pound) and Enable weight table shipping:

Make Certificate weigh zero.

Setup the weight table where it charges $7 for the first "pound" and $0.5
per "pound" after that. Call this method something encouraging like
"Economy shipping".

In item B product screen click on the shipping weight table tab and add
$0.5. For C add $1. If you do not know what that is check
http;//mivahelp.com/steps/ship3.htm

In the header of the shipping screen say that shoppers with totals over $75
need to select the free shipping option available in the drop down list.

All shoppers will automatically get the rates you want. Gift certificates
will be free. If people had less than $75 but wanted to pull a fast one they
will not be able to take advantage of free sipping since the only other
option will be the pricier "regular" shipping pulled from the price table.
if they had more than $75 and they will be able to select the "FREE shipping
for order total $75 or more" option.

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>
> Trying to figure out the best way to do this. Shipping modules I have at my
> disposal are all the ones in Emporium Plus's Developer Bundle and the
> standard Merchant ones. I am NOT interested in the Shipping SuperMod.
>
> Gift Certificates have free shipping
> First item is $7(unless it's item B which is $7.50 or Item C which is $8)
> Each additional Item is $.50(unless it's Item B which is a $1 or Item C
> which is $1.50)
> Orders over $75.00 have free shipping.

Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



Diners Club is now included with Card Services International and the
linkpoint gateway. Just go in a click on it to turn it on. :-)
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> From: "Admin" <[email protected]>
> Organization: Low Cost Prints LLC
> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:25:14 -0400
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2
>
> To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
> JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be losing sales
> because of it.
>
> Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
> costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.
>
> It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they are
> the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
> curse and pull out my Visa.
>
> Robert Bradley
> www.lowcostprints.com
>
> ----------------
> Bruce wrote, in part:
> its always makes me
> wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure, discover or
> AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you afford to loose
> cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.
>
>

Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



Why don't they indeed...if your gateway supports them, take it. The
difference in actual cost per order should be low enough not matter...again,
its a different world...in brick and mortar, its unlikely you'll loose an
order by NOT taking Diner's Club-the card holder has to have another method
of paying and is not interested in driving to another store to make the
purchase...online, its way to easy (and the easy part is that there is no
"face" lost, no interaction or "embarrassment").

-Bruce
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Admin
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:25 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2
>
>
> To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
> JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be
> losing sales
> because of it.
>
> Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
> costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.
>
> It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they are
> the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
> curse and pull out my Visa.
>
> Robert Bradley
> www.lowcostprints.com
>
> ----------------
> Bruce wrote, in part:
> its always makes me
> wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure,
> discover or
> AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you
> afford to loose
> cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.
>
>

Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



I think AMEX rejected me :(
I have JCB but the authorize.net module doesn not support it :(

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: September 30, 2002 1:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2


To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be losing
sales
because of it.

Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.

It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they
are
the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
curse and pull out my Visa.

Robert Bradley
www.lowcostprints.com

----------------
Bruce wrote, in part:
its always makes me
wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure, discover
or
AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you afford to
loose
cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.

Top header buttons not appearing



I had the same problem with my header. Use absolute URLS. Everything
else relative.

============================

When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
finding them.

The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
Ever hear of this?

Thanks for any help,
- Bob Giammanco

Top header buttons not appearing



Yep - check your host to make sure it can find your files in any directory,
just like http://

If you're calling in an html file using something like DisplayWizard, they
need to fix the issue.


Pamela
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bob Giammanco
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:48 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: [mru] Top header buttons not appearing
>
>
> When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
> switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
> button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
> finding them.
>
> The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
> under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
> Ever hear of this?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> - Bob Giammanco
>
>

Top header buttons not appearing



When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
finding them.

The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
Ever hear of this?

Thanks for any help,
- Bob Giammanco

SEK2 Search engine killer




On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 06:33 PM, Barrett Butler wrote:

> Maybe I'm missing something then.
> It is my understanding that the search engines that do not index our
> merchant sites will index the mirror and therefore all the links
> offered to the public will be directly to a mirror page; right ?

> If that is the case then what kind of impression is one going to make
> if the customer sees a crappy page that only a developer would
> understand that it is just a mirror page to hook search engines ???
>
> -Barrett
> [email protected]
> http://creativepapersonline.com
> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
>



> On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 01:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
>> keywords in the Basic Config.
>>
>> Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
>> creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
>> look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
>> to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
>> SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
>> mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
>> perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
>> ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
>> your store.
>>
>> Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
>> and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
>> lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
>> HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
>> reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
>> SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
>> back to v3.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:
>>
>>> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
>>> optimizing
>>> the look of the index page.
>>> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables
>>> affecting
>>> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
>>> want to
>>> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely
>>> useful tool
>>> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
>>> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors
>>> or extra
>>> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
>>> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here
>>> and
>>> there.
>>>
>>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
>>> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
>>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
>>> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
>>>
>>> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
>>> your
>>> sleeves?
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Barrett
>>> [email protected]
>>> http://creativepapersonline.com
>>> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Keith Hunniford
>> <A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
>> <A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>
>>
>>
>

SEK2 Search engine killer



Maybe I'm missing something then.
It is my understanding that the search engines that do not index our
merchant sites will index the mirror and therefore all the links offered
to the public will be directly to a mirror page; right ?
If that is the case then what kind of impression is one going to make if
the customer sees a crappy page that only a developer would understand
that it is just a mirror page to hook search engines ???

As far as html goes I was finding stuff like table fragments
</TABLE><TR><TD><TABLE CELLPADDING=10>
-Barrett
[email protected]
http://creativepapersonline.com
Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30


On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 01:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>
> Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
> keywords in the Basic Config.
>
> Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
> creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
> look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
> to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
> SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
> mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
> perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
> ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
> your store.
>
> Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
> and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
> lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
> HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
> reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
> SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
> back to v3.
>
> Keith
>
>
> On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:
>
>> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
>> optimizing
>> the look of the index page.
>> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
>> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
>> want to
>> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
>> tool
>> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
>> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
>> extra
>> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
>> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
>> there.
>>
>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
>> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
>> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
>>
>> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
>> your
>> sleeves?
>> Thanks,
>> -Barrett
>> [email protected]
>> http://creativepapersonline.com
>> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
>>
>>
>
>
> Keith Hunniford
> <A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
> <A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>
>
>

SEK2 Search engine killer




Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
keywords in the Basic Config.

Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
your store.

Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
back to v3.

Keith


On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:

> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on optimizing
> the look of the index page.
> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't want to
> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful tool
> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or extra
> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
> there.
>
> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html> ">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html> </A>
> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html> ">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html> </A>
> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
>
> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up your
> sleeves?
> Thanks,
> -Barrett
> [email protected]
> http://creativepapersonline.com
> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
>
>


Keith Hunniford
<A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
<A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>

SEK2 Search engine killer



Oops, accidentally washed your last replies away. The purpose of a doorway
is to provide ALL the relevant text relating to the keywords that would look
stupid and redundant to visitors. It's not supposed to trick SE's but serve
as an asset. State Farm years ago were the first ones to use the technique
and everyone sat back to see what would happen. They were #1 on the lists
and the feedback was the doorways were relevant and precise to their
business. Because of the idiots out there now using doorways pertaining to
Honda and the actual site is ***** is causing trouble for all. Andrea
should probably have last say on this issue. My sites have been listed with
and without doorways. Cyn

BTW, I can't send you the doorways, it would be a breach of their contract.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cynthia Carlon" <[email protected]>
To: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer


> Barrett, I could show you some doorway pages generated by a service that
> charges $1,500 up front and $90/mo for quarterly submissions. They are
butt
> ugly, images stretched, text askew, but it doesn't matter for the search
> engines, WHEREAS for the indexers, like Yahoo, etc. that don't spider, but
> are supposed to be browsed by humans, it does need to look and be
relevant
> and neat. But since I haven't used SEK, have no idea how you can set it
up,
> Cyn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:14 AM
> Subject: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer
>
>
> > I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
> optimizing
> > the look of the index page.
> > I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
> > output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
want
> to
> > single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
> tool
> > and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
> > What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
> extra
> > table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
> > themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
> > there.
> >
> > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
> > That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
> > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
> > Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
> >
> > What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
your
> > sleeves?
> > Thanks,
> > -Barrett
> > [email protected]
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